Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 21:56:12 -0700
Reply-To: Scott Foss - Shazam <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
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From: Scott Foss - Shazam <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
Subject: Re: Cookies and Credit
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Zoltan, you mentioned 'stainless' the other day.
And you're working on your battery area i beleive - if you are going to
use a stainless bolt and nut on a battery cable clamp, I don't see how
you can get in trouble that way.
And i'm not going to write the whole thing right now - but there are
MANY things not right about stainless steel.
it is best where the two primary requirements are nice appearance and
corrosion resistence, like tubular sail boat railings for example, it's
also light when you used that way too.
but.......it's not magnetic. I would never in a million years use a
stainless fastnerer - -screw, bolt, nut, washer - on an engine - cause
if you drop it .......it could get it some place where it could do
serious damage and you can't fish it out with a magnet.
I should take the time to look in my two reference books right here........
but i'll just say, it's not maleable like normal steel, it's not a
strong as regular steel,
it cracks.
It's horrible to drill. Even drilling through a 15 thousands sheet is
hard work with a cobalt drill bit.
If a stainless bolt ever broke off in a block..........you bascailly
could not repair that by drilling and taping.
notice it's not used by manufacturers of cars.
I can think of two applications if 50 makes of cars- the DeLorean car's
skin ( I actually know John DeLorean's niece btw ) .......
and D series Citroen bumpers..........
It appears that people think stainless steel is this magic 'titanium' or
something - that it's super strong, that it can rust or corrode.
There are more than one alloy types of stainless, btw..............or 10
types or more.
I should check what exact grade and alloy stainless bolts are made of
...........
but you will not find me using them usually- i'd much rather use a steel
bolt with good german Wurth brand copper-based anti-seize on the theads.
btw...........stainless steel welds really nicely with the right
equipment . But it doesn't drill well, it can't be cut nicely with a
torch .......it's kinda wierd- and only is right for certain
applications - like surgical instument, medical talbles, commecial
kitchen work surfaces .........
it also costs a lot.
anyway, just want to dispel any myths that it is 'the solution'
.............it's not at all.
Really good workmanship with quality materials is 'the solution.'
I rarely put a bolt or screw into anythign without something on the
threads - teflon paste from the hardware store ( that makes water pump
and t-stat cover screws come out just fine 8 years later , Or red Hicg
Tack gasket sealter - prevents corrosion and has an anti-vibration
affect. Or anti-seibe compound, copper based, or lock tite on certain
serious bolts on engines.......
Dry threads is just gross i think, 90 % of the time.
And stainless fasteners - they're a bit scary to me.
if they screw up, you are really screwed, and they are not any kind of
magic bullet, not even slightly.
scott
Zoltan Kuthy wrote:
> That made me burst out laughing. Hahahaha.
> Z
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lee Peterson" <iridewheelies@GMAIL.COM>
> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
> Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 7:47 PM
> Subject: Re: Cookies and Credit
>
>
>> I never eat the cookies until the parts are installed. It's a small
>> "carrot
>> on a stick" to get me out to work on the van.
>>
>> I'm ashamed to admit that there are currently two unopened packages of
>> cookes in my garage :-(
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 4:58 PM, Peter T. Owsianowski
>> <pnoceanwesty@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hear hear!
>>>
>>> Good vendors make the bus experience better!
>>>
>>> --
>>> Pete
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>>> '87 Westy "Joe's Van"
>>> WWW. Busesbythebeach.com
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6/1/08, Jake de Villiers <crescentbeachguitar@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > They're good people at VolksCafe!
>>> >
>>> > >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > Jake
>>> > 1984 Vanagon GL
>>> > 1986 Westy Weekender "Dixie"
>>> > Crescent Beach, BC
>>> > www.crescentbeachguitar.com
>>> > http://subyjake.googlepages.com/mydixiedarlin%27
>>> >
>>>
>>
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