Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 21:29:32 -0700
Reply-To: Stuart MacMillan <macgroup@COMCAST.NET>
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From: Stuart MacMillan <macgroup@COMCAST.NET>
Subject: Re: Battery Woes/Choice
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Dennis,
Those forklift and golf cart batteries are put on a charger every day, and
probably don't ever go down to the 20% limit. That's the only way they can
last for 1300 cycles. You are right about the cycles of AGM and gel, 300
cycles at 20% discharge is max.
So, just get a flooded true deep discharge, and put it on a charger every
day. The Trojan flooded deep cycle in my EVC is 11 years old, and had little
deep discharging. I hook it up to a charger when I don't drive it for long
periods. It's still up to snuff, and I'll keep it going as long as I can!
Stuart
'97 EVC, previous '84 Westy
-----Original Message-----
From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of
Dennis Haynes
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 7:03 PM
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Subject: Re: Battery Woes/Choice
Flooded or wet or normal lead acid batteries come in many varieties. Most
golf cart batteries are of a flooded design. So are most forklift
batteries.
So according to the advertisements AGM batteries can withstand deep
discharges. Good for 150 to 300 cycles. Wow! A good flooded forklift
battery is designed and sold for 5 years at 5 cycles per week. That's
1,300 cycles.
I just got a van towed in with 3 Odysseys. All three just tested as junk.
Were installed 04/06.
The only real advantage of AGM is spill resistance and reduced off
gassing. Once they vent the lost electrolyte can't be replaced. They do
dry out and they can't be equalized or de-sulfated without some damage.
The benefits are more hype than reality.
Dennis
-----Original Message-----
From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of
Troy
Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 2:56 PM
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Subject: Re: Battery Woes/Choice
The less a battery is drained/discharged the longer it will last. Strictly
speaking, flooded batteries are not designed for repeated deep discharges,
so when used in this manner, they fail prematurely. Frank was acutely
aware
of this fact, so chose to buy from a place that had a great warranty
service, as did I.
AGM batteries, on the other hand, are designed for repeated deep
discharges,
but require a sustained voltage of over 14 V to charge them fully, and
most
alternators will not do this (at least without modification). So, yes it
is
a good thing to have lots of reserve capacity.
The only thing I've read about capacity of AGM's, and perhaps somebody
else
can confirm this, is they require 10 or 12 deep discharges before they
reach
their full capacity. I've not run enough tests on one to know.
Take a look at: http://www.vanagonwiki.net/index.php/Solar for some good
reading about batteries. Thanks to Mr. Squirrel for passing this link
along
to me.
Troy
----- Original Message -----
From: "Taeke" <taeke.t@gmail.com>
To: "Troy" <colorworks@gci.net>; <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 2:37 AM
Subject: RE: Battery Woes/Choice
Is it good to have too much rc/size? Especially if it means it has thinner
plates.
