Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 16:28:11 -0700
Reply-To: Joel Sell <justthesells@YAHOO.COM>
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From: Joel Sell <justthesells@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: 500 miles per gallon
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Oh come on. 1 million electric or plug in hybrids are not going to appear overnight. It's just a STEP in the direction of stopping our dependence on oil. That's all. Look at history where anyone tried to take a new direction- the horseless carriage was a laughingstock at first and only for the rich. What kind of list is this- a "people's car" list, right? Look how far the automobile has come. It just takes time. Look at the Wright brothers- airplanes now have similar characteristics as the 1st ones, but look how far they have come. New technology is always "clunky" and awkward, but with time and use, it can become great.
The electric car is not a panacea. Anyone who tells you it is is wrong. It's just one small step in figuring out alternative forms of transportation for our future.
--- On Mon, 6/16/08, Jake de Villiers <crescentbeachguitar@GMAIL.COM> wrote:
From: Jake de Villiers <crescentbeachguitar@GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: 500 miles per gallon
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Date: Monday, June 16, 2008, 6:36 PM
And what do you think the price of electricity is going to do when you plug
a million cars into the grid overnight?!
On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 10:35 AM, Allan Streib <streib@cs.indiana.edu>
wrote:
> It's disingenuous to make such a mileage claim when the reason for the
> higher mileage is that the car is partially running on stored utility
> power. The energy comes from somewhere -- if not from burning gasoline
> in the motor, then from burning gas/oil/coal/uranium somewhere else.
>
> Allan
>
>
> "Ken Wilford" <kenwilfy@COMCAST.NET> said:
> > Probably a plug in hybrid concept. 100 mpg would be fine with me.
At
> > that point even at $5 per gallon you are looking at a per mile cost
of
> > around $0.04 per mile which puts us back to gas being cheap again.
Not
> > sure what the cost of plugging in your car overnight would be but
from
> > what I have read it is supposed to be "pennies". The new
battery I have
> > been whining about for the last couple of years is finally in the
> > pipeline as well. I recently read an article about a guy at MIT (I
> > believe) who has figured out a way to make the Li-ion batteries last
10
> > times longer! It has something to do with nano-tubes of graphite but
> > the short of it is that this could actually make the electric car
viable
> > and the plug in hybrid a car that could go even farther on a tank of
> > gas. Necessity is the mother of invention as they say. I just hope
all
> > of this tech starts to mature before they figure out a way to drop a
> > gallon of gas back down to $2 per gallon or it will all evaporate
again.
> >
> > Ken Wilford
> > John 3:16
> > www.vanagain.com
> >
> > John Rodgers wrote:
> > > Was watching a congressional energy hearing on C-Span Saturday
and in
> > > the discussion came this whopper of an announcement. -
"Friday, Toyota
> > > announced a new car is in design that will be capable of 500
miles per
> > > gallon of fuel". There was no discussion about this, it was
just
> > > mentioned in passing as part of the conversation on another
issue, but
> > > it sure caught my attention.
> > >
> > > John Rodgers
> > > 88 GL Driver
> > >
> >
>
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Jake
1984 Vanagon GL
1986 Westy Weekender "Dixie"
Crescent Beach, BC
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