Date:         Mon, 16 Jun 2008 16:31:22 -0700
Reply-To:     Robert Keezer <warmerwagen@YAHOO.COM>
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From:         Robert Keezer <warmerwagen@YAHOO.COM>
Subject:      Re: 500 miles per gallon(NVC)
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I guess what you are all saying and trying to be politically correct is that you don't want to trade with Arab oil merchants because they are gouging us? Or is it the stock market?
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For years we traded with OPEC nations . Why stop? Somebodies going to buy that oil.
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Because if the alternative sources of energy are developed, they will not be cheap.
It's a boom market . Anyone with energy, just like anyone with a pile of copper, wants to make money on it . Big money.
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If everyone was driving hybrid cars now they would jack up the price to 30 dollars a gallon.
So be glad prices are high now so we can all go broke?
The only way the price of fuel will come down is when we can't afford it anymore and we are all buying half as much as we used to.
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The bubble will pop in this boom just like other booms -there is a bust .
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Case in point, gas went up, Diesel was cheaper. Droves switched to Diesel, Diesel went up.
When gas goes up, propane and natural gas go up. Electricity will go up.
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WHere ever the buyers go, there will the vultures be waiting.
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Robert
1982 Westfalia
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--- On Mon, 6/16/08, Berlett, Edward &lt;eberlett@TOWSON.EDU&gt; wrote:

From: Berlett, Edward &lt;eberlett@TOWSON.EDU&gt;
Subject: Re: 500 miles per gallon
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Date: Monday, June 16, 2008, 3:28 PM

So you're thrilled with the Bush presidency's energy policy to wean us
off foreign oil.

Thanks
Ed

-----Original Message-----
From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM] On Behalf Of John
Rodgers
Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 12:33 PM
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Subject: Re: 500 miles per gallon

I agree about the drop in oil prices. I hate these prices today, but I
would rather they stay high to provide the drive and incentive to get
off of dependency on foreign oil and develop our own resources whatever
they are - electric, coal, atomic, natural gas( we have some of the
worlds biggest reserves on this). It's going to take some time, and it
will be painful, but we had better get it done. We cannot afford to back
slide the way we did when Reagan came into office and subsequent
presidential leadership did not help. We need a new president who would
be Kennedy-like in regard to energy and say we will do it. - get off of
foreign oil.

John Rodgers
88 GL Driver

Ken Wilford wrote:
&gt; Probably a plug in hybrid concept.  100 mpg would be fine with me.  At
&gt; that point even at $5 per gallon you are looking at a per mile cost of
&gt; around $0.04 per mile which puts us back to gas being cheap again.  Not
&gt; sure what the cost of plugging in your car overnight would be but from
&gt; what I have read it is supposed to be "pennies".  The new
battery I have
&gt; been whining about for the last couple of years is finally in the
&gt; pipeline as well.  I recently read an article about a guy at MIT (I
&gt; believe) who has figured out a way to make the Li-ion batteries last 10
&gt; times longer!  It has something to do with nano-tubes of graphite but
&gt; the short of it is that this could actually make the electric car viable
&gt; and the plug in hybrid a car that could go even farther on a tank of
&gt; gas.  Necessity is the mother of invention as they say.  I just hope all
&gt; of this tech starts to mature before they figure out a way to drop a
&gt; gallon of gas back down to $2 per gallon or it will all evaporate again.
&gt;
&gt; Ken Wilford
&gt; John 3:16
&gt; www.vanagain.com
&gt;
&gt; John Rodgers wrote:
&gt;&gt; Was watching a congressional energy hearing on C-Span Saturday and in
&gt;&gt; the discussion came this whopper of an announcement. - "Friday,
Toyota
&gt;&gt; announced a new car is in design that will be capable of 500 miles per
&gt;&gt; gallon of fuel". There was no discussion about this, it was just
&gt;&gt; mentioned in passing as part of the conversation on another issue, but
&gt;&gt; it sure caught my attention.
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&gt;&gt; John Rodgers
&gt;&gt; 88 GL Driver
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