Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 17:19:25 -0700
Reply-To: aatransaxle <daryl@AATRANSAXLE.COM>
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From: aatransaxle <daryl@AATRANSAXLE.COM>
Subject: Re: Water 4 Gas. com Does it work? Has Anyone Tried it? Know of
It?
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Remember, I am just a messenger and have not tried any of this stuff..Hearsay and rumors abound for sure...and I only have a small part of the story.
There (i am told) is a site that sells an O2 widget for a $grand or so, that gets rid of the problem..Now THAT makes a relly long payback time..
The HHO setup (i am told) uses 10 to 20 or more Amps when working and that is the rub...Have to push the alternator pretty hard to make the HHO and that takes more HP...
But in the long run, it may work once it is dialed in enough to get a consistent gain...It seems YMMV, as the results are all over the place with many variables
I am still a lurker and not a do'er ...There are many forums and sites for this stuff and it would take some wading thru to get a clue...
Daryl of AA Transaxle
(425) 788-4070
aatransaxle.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Daniel - Turbovans
To: aatransaxle ; vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 2:25 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Water 4 Gas. com Does it work? Has Anyone Tried it? Know of It?
Re :
"And you cannot use the setup on a car with an O2 sensor, as it will fake it out and screw up the mixture"
Whoa there Hoss............that takes out a LOT of cars !!
like 95 % of gasoline cars on the road these days.
And..........they promote it like it's 'the perfect free thing' and 'works on any car' .....
so what's the real story ?
If this 'not with an 02 sensor car' .........that takes out all gaoline watercooled vanagons.
And leaves only a few non-california air-cooled Vanagons without oxygen sensors, stock.
( which is what you have in Wa on air-cooled vanagons mostly )
but ..........there must be a way around it, or we're not getting the entire story here, but most cars have oxygen sensors nowadays.
And thanks Darly for pointing out some realities -
like electrode life if current draw is too high.
They always make it sound like what I call 'Free Automatic' ...........Mother Earth News is famous for this - they'll have you believeing your car will run for free off just chicken manure.........
and the real truth is that there are downsides, challenges, and issues to overcome.
Not that I doubt that it can be done, and savings realized. it's just not 'free automatic' is all.
scott
www.turbovans.com
Fuel prices- it's higher here in Souther Oregon than much of Oregon ( end of the supply chain from Puget Sound is a factor ) . Diesel is at $ 4.85 and the local Biofules place has Biodiesel at $ 5,77 per gallon !
----- Original Message -----
From: "aatransaxle" <daryl@AATRANSAXLE.COM>
To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 9:13 AM
Subject: Re: Water 4 Gas. com Does it work? Has Anyone Tried it? Know of It?
> Got a neighbor who is hot on the trail to do one of those setups..His
> brother has one and gained about 20%...His preacher got about the same..so
> I'm told...
> Many different little trick unless you just get lucky...Too much current
> draw or the mix gets too hot or the electrodes fail after a few hundred
> miles ...etc.
> Some use a pulse setup to control current.
> And you cannot use the setup on a car with an O2 sensor, as it will fake it
> out and screw up the mixture
> http://hhoforums.com/
> I figure if my neighbor comes up with something plausible, anyone can do
> it..20% gain with $4.35 fuel do make a difference in my book...
> Daryl of AA Transaxle
> (425) 788-4070
> aatransaxle.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Robert Stewart" <robertmstewart@MAC.COM>
> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
> Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 6:35 PM
> Subject: Water 4 Gas. com Does it work? Has Anyone Tried it? Know of It?
>
>
>> Ok,
>>
>> This may sound a little wacky but I met this guy on a recent trip to
>> LA, CA and he told me that he was putting this system in his Land
>> Rover his friend put in based on this website Water4Gas.com.
>>
>> He tells me that its creates a type of Hydrogen Gas that comes from a
>> Jar filled with Water and baking soda, the gas escapes and goes into a
>> tube into the air flow intake system. Now I am explaining this in the
>> most rudimentary way... You have to read the site to get the full grasp.
>>
>> In the end he tells me his friend is seeing like a 20 MPG gain since
>> installing this strange device. No he also tells me that another
>> friend put one in his Honda and saw no results, his thing was that it
>> takes experimentation in the setup before it gets dialed into your
>> vehicle to see results.
>>
>> Does anyone know of this system? Has anyone tried it? head anything?
>>
>> http://www.water4gas.com
>>
>> http://www.water4gas.com/images/p389new.jpg
>>
>> Here's a YouTube Link:
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6yRn4IAsrU&feature=related
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8stApCmxYEM&feature=related
>> http://waterpoweredcar.com/stanmeyer.html ( 4 part video series from
>> Europe)*
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eDckAnVUmc
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgL8Gxz8Io0&feature=related
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXOn7aoYqoc&feature=related
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1M4a-UEmJI
>>
>> Water Powered Japanese Van!
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1OWDcWoXHs&feature=related
>>
>> Japanese Car that run solely in Water:
>> Reuters: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrxfMz2eDME&feature=related
>>
>> They guy who runs the Water4gas site has one person who claims:
>> 77% better mileage - Volkswagen Bora 1.9 Liter TDI (Turbo Diesel)
>> using a single cell
>> "For my vw bora 1.9 TDI I'm passed from 25.9 liter / 296 km at 15.5 /
>> 313 km"
>>
>> Supposedly Stan Meyer one of the main inventors was poisoned to death.
>> He was offered a billion dollars from the Arab Oil Corporations to buy
>> his invention, which he said no, "this if for the people". The gov't
>> sent an army general to witness the technology for use in tanks and
>> other vehicles to which he was supposedly working with them after the
>> meeting.
>>
>> I am just wondering if anyone has even discussed building one for the
>> vanagon?
>>
>> R
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