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Date:         Mon, 14 Jul 2008 17:51:53 -0500
Reply-To:     John Rodgers <inua@CHARTER.NET>
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From:         John Rodgers <inua@CHARTER.NET>
Subject:      Re: Water 4 Gas. com Does it work? Has Anyone Tried it? Know of
              It?
Comments: To: Neil2 <vidublu@GMAIL.COM>
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I know not of the HHO system intended for automotive applications as is being discussed here, , but I do know of similar systems that are used to produce H2 gas and O2 gas for welding gold, silver, and platinum without producing oxides of same.

In this case, a potassium salt is added to distilled water to make an electrolyte. A 110v AC transformer/inverter produces a 12 amp current through the electrolyte and hydrogen gas and oxygen gas is released. There is a separator that collects the Hydrogen and the Oxygen separately. An electronic brain controls the amperage and therefore the gas generation rate, so one can control both flow and pressure. For jewelry purposes, the oxygen and the hydrogen is recombined at the torch tip and can produce a carbon free flame as hot as 3200 F.- easily hot enough to melt platinum.

The point here is that there are hydrogen generation systems already in operation in industry, and there is really no reason these cannot be adapted to automotive vehicles NOW to produce supplemental fuel to enhance vehicle mileage. This would be an interim measure until full hydrogen systems are on line for full time use. The fuel savings on oil based fuels would be enormous, and move us in the right direction of getting of oil all together as a fuel.

About oil, even though we might eventually get off oil entirely as fuel, we will be continuing to use large quantities of the stuff for other things, simply because there is no other material with which to produce them. As long as there is oil in the ground, we will continue to use it.

Regards,

John Rodgers 88 GL Driver

Neil2 wrote: > Will do. Below is me bro's reply to me: > > Sounds typical of many HHO blogs I've read. Best advise = Buy/Read the > books, then DIY. > > > > Bottom line - HHO works and those who are doing it successfully could care > less of a scientific explanation when they have real results (IE You don't > need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows). Critics are ignorant of > how exactly "in detail" it works, like myth busters, they have only pieces > of skewed info, not sufficient to reach an intelligent conclusion about it. > Make no mistake, there are a lot of wolves selling HHO bunk out there on > youtube and eBay, but nonetheless HHO does work. > > > > An electrolyzer does not make a "HHO system", it's only a integral *part* of > a detailed system. It's true that pre 96 model vehicle require less parts, > but still require more than just an electrolyzer. All 96 and newer vehicles > (OBDII CPU's) also need electronic additions in order to lean the fuel to > air mixture. Used alone these will overheat a vehicle w/o HHO. > > > > The HHO system is NOT a conversion, uses very little current (less than your > radio), uses very little water (oz's per several tanks of fuel), is very low > maintenance and has much more benefits than merely saving gas. It's the most > "economical and practical" solution to getting more MPG than anything else > and that's why it's so widely popular and I suspect gathers much criticism. > > > > Best advise = Buy/Read the books, then DIY for $150 or wait for weeks on end > to get a professional installation at $1,500. > > > On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 10:14 AM, dylan friedman <insyncro@yahoo.com> wrote: > > >> good to hear. >> keep us posted please. >> >> dylan >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: Neil2 <vidublu@GMAIL.COM> >> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM >> Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 12:50:29 PM >> Subject: Re: Water 4 Gas. com Does it work? Has Anyone Tried it? Know of >> It? >> >> Me bro and a local guy here in Portland, OR are using HHO/Brown gas systems >> and getting good ROI. My bro increased his fuel mileage by 30% and told me >> although the complexity is increased to install one on a '96 or newer auto, >> the returns are greater. The guys in the Alternative Fuel CoOp I meet with >> locally were a little surprised by HHO's results. So many urban legends >> out >> there. Only three of us in the room even understood the concept and >> benefits. >> >> I've plans to install one on me Vanagon once my brother or Dave get their >> designs down to the gnat's arse. >> >> Neil2 >> >> On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 8:22 AM, Kenneth Lewis <kdlewis@northstate.net> >> wrote: >> >> >>> But aren't Ethanol and NO delivered under pressure so quantities are >>> plentiful enough to make a difference? Their rapid expansion also has a >>> tremendous cooling benefit. I don't think you're in the same ball park >>> comparing a hamster blowing through a straw and Nitrous. >>> Respectfully, >>> >>> Ken Lewis >>> http://neksiwel.20m.com/ >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Neil2 >> '82 Diesel Westy (Duckie) >> Nunquam Pendite Divendium >> >> > > > > -- > Neil2 > '82 Diesel Westy (Duckie) > Nunquam Pendite Divendium > > >


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