Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 19:37:05 -0400
Reply-To: Greg Potts <greg@POTTSFAMILY.CA>
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From: Greg Potts <greg@POTTSFAMILY.CA>
Subject: Re: Water 4 Gas. com Does it work? Has Anyone Tried it? Know of
It?
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Hi John,
Here's a reason: 110V at 12A = 110A at 12V.
You would need two extra alternators to provide that much extra
electricity to your vanagon. And even then, I don't think you would get
enough energy from the HHO to compensate for the drag that those
alternators would impose.
Happy Trails,
Greg Potts
1973/74/79 Westfakia "Bob the Tomato"
1987 Wolfsburg Weekender Hardtop
www.busesofthecorn.com
www.pottsfamily.ca
John Rodgers wrote:
> I know not of the HHO system intended for automotive applications as is
> being discussed here, , but I do know of similar systems that are used
> to produce H2 gas and O2 gas for welding gold, silver, and platinum
> without producing oxides of same.
>
> In this case, a potassium salt is added to distilled water to make an
> electrolyte. A 110v AC transformer/inverter produces a 12 amp current
> through the electrolyte and hydrogen gas and oxygen gas is released.
> There is a separator that collects the Hydrogen and the Oxygen
> separately. An electronic brain controls the amperage and therefore the
> gas generation rate, so one can control both flow and pressure. For
> jewelry purposes, the oxygen and the hydrogen is recombined at the
> torch tip and can produce a carbon free flame as hot as 3200 F.- easily
> hot enough to melt platinum.
>
> The point here is that there are hydrogen generation systems already in
> operation in industry, and there is really no reason these cannot be
> adapted to automotive vehicles NOW to produce supplemental fuel to
> enhance vehicle mileage. This would be an interim measure until full
> hydrogen systems are on line for full time use. The fuel savings on oil
> based fuels would be enormous, and move us in the right direction of
> getting of oil all together as a fuel.
>
> About oil, even though we might eventually get off oil entirely as fuel,
> we will be continuing to use large quantities of the stuff for other
> things, simply because there is no other material with which to produce
> them. As long as there is oil in the ground, we will continue to use it.
>
> Regards,
>
> John Rodgers
> 88 GL Driver
>
>
> Neil2 wrote:
>> Will do. Below is me bro's reply to me:
>>
>> Sounds typical of many HHO blogs I've read. Best advise = Buy/Read the
>> books, then DIY.
>>
>>
>>
>> Bottom line - HHO works and those who are doing it successfully could
>> care
>> less of a scientific explanation when they have real results (IE You
>> don't
>> need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows). Critics are
>> ignorant of
>> how exactly "in detail" it works, like myth busters, they have only
>> pieces
>> of skewed info, not sufficient to reach an intelligent conclusion
>> about it.
>> Make no mistake, there are a lot of wolves selling HHO bunk out there on
>> youtube and eBay, but nonetheless HHO does work.
>>
>>
>>
>> An electrolyzer does not make a "HHO system", it's only a integral
>> *part* of
>> a detailed system. It's true that pre 96 model vehicle require less
>> parts,
>> but still require more than just an electrolyzer. All 96 and newer
>> vehicles
>> (OBDII CPU's) also need electronic additions in order to lean the fuel to
>> air mixture. Used alone these will overheat a vehicle w/o HHO.
>>
>>
>>
>> The HHO system is NOT a conversion, uses very little current (less
>> than your
>> radio), uses very little water (oz's per several tanks of fuel), is
>> very low
>> maintenance and has much more benefits than merely saving gas. It's
>> the most
>> "economical and practical" solution to getting more MPG than anything
>> else
>> and that's why it's so widely popular and I suspect gathers much
>> criticism.
>>
>>
>>
>> Best advise = Buy/Read the books, then DIY for $150 or wait for weeks
>> on end
>> to get a professional installation at $1,500.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 10:14 AM, dylan friedman <insyncro@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> good to hear.
>>> keep us posted please.
>>>
>>> dylan
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>> From: Neil2 <vidublu@GMAIL.COM>
>>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>>> Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 12:50:29 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Water 4 Gas. com Does it work? Has Anyone Tried it? Know of
>>> It?
>>>
>>> Me bro and a local guy here in Portland, OR are using HHO/Brown gas
>>> systems
>>> and getting good ROI. My bro increased his fuel mileage by 30% and
>>> told me
>>> although the complexity is increased to install one on a '96 or newer
>>> auto,
>>> the returns are greater. The guys in the Alternative Fuel CoOp I
>>> meet with
>>> locally were a little surprised by HHO's results. So many urban legends
>>> out
>>> there. Only three of us in the room even understood the concept and
>>> benefits.
>>>
>>> I've plans to install one on me Vanagon once my brother or Dave get
>>> their
>>> designs down to the gnat's arse.
>>>
>>> Neil2
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 8:22 AM, Kenneth Lewis <kdlewis@northstate.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> But aren't Ethanol and NO delivered under pressure so quantities are
>>>> plentiful enough to make a difference? Their rapid expansion also has a
>>>> tremendous cooling benefit. I don't think you're in the same ball park
>>>> comparing a hamster blowing through a straw and Nitrous.
>>>> Respectfully,
>>>>
>>>> Ken Lewis
>>>> http://neksiwel.20m.com/
>>>>
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