Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 20:01:44 -0700
Reply-To: Kim Springer <kimspringer@RCN.COM>
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From: Kim Springer <kimspringer@RCN.COM>
Subject: Re: Water 4 Gas. com Does it work? Has Anyone Tried it? Know of
It?
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Volks,
I've never read such a jumbled up mess of mixed misunderstanding.
Mike S. seems angry at the world and somehow expected NO2 or this HHO
generator to produce enough volume of something to run an engine when that
is not the point at all, with NO2 or any other system of this type. If you
are going to comment, then at least read up on the product and watch some
videos of it Mike. You're making a fool of yourself.
Greg Potts thinks John is suggesting that such generator of H2 and O2 as he
described should be installed in a Vanagon, which is not at all what he was
saying. Greg, read John's post for cying out loud.
If you are not going to read the posts and try to understand them, then just
drop it or butt out! You're acting like a bunch of childish idiots.
As far as I am concerend, the topic is over.
If anyone ever installs one of these things and it works with real results,
let us know.
Kim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg Potts" <greg@POTTSFAMILY.CA>
To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 4:37 PM
Subject: Re: Water 4 Gas. com Does it work? Has Anyone Tried it? Know of It?
> Hi John,
>
> Here's a reason: 110V at 12A = 110A at 12V.
>
> You would need two extra alternators to provide that much extra
> electricity to your vanagon. And even then, I don't think you would get
> enough energy from the HHO to compensate for the drag that those
> alternators would impose.
>
> Happy Trails,
>
> Greg Potts
> 1973/74/79 Westfakia "Bob the Tomato"
> 1987 Wolfsburg Weekender Hardtop
> www.busesofthecorn.com
> www.pottsfamily.ca
>
>
> John Rodgers wrote:
> > I know not of the HHO system intended for automotive applications as is
> > being discussed here, , but I do know of similar systems that are used
> > to produce H2 gas and O2 gas for welding gold, silver, and platinum
> > without producing oxides of same.
> >
> > In this case, a potassium salt is added to distilled water to make an
> > electrolyte. A 110v AC transformer/inverter produces a 12 amp current
> > through the electrolyte and hydrogen gas and oxygen gas is released.
> > There is a separator that collects the Hydrogen and the Oxygen
> > separately. An electronic brain controls the amperage and therefore the
> > gas generation rate, so one can control both flow and pressure. For
> > jewelry purposes, the oxygen and the hydrogen is recombined at the
> > torch tip and can produce a carbon free flame as hot as 3200 F.- easily
> > hot enough to melt platinum.
> >
> > The point here is that there are hydrogen generation systems already in
> > operation in industry, and there is really no reason these cannot be
> > adapted to automotive vehicles NOW to produce supplemental fuel to
> > enhance vehicle mileage. This would be an interim measure until full
> > hydrogen systems are on line for full time use. The fuel savings on oil
> > based fuels would be enormous, and move us in the right direction of
> > getting of oil all together as a fuel.
> >
> > About oil, even though we might eventually get off oil entirely as fuel,
> > we will be continuing to use large quantities of the stuff for other
> > things, simply because there is no other material with which to produce
> > them. As long as there is oil in the ground, we will continue to use it.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > John Rodgers
> > 88 GL Driver
> >
> >
> > Neil2 wrote:
> >> Will do. Below is me bro's reply to me:
> >>
> >> Sounds typical of many HHO blogs I've read. Best advise = Buy/Read the
> >> books, then DIY.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Bottom line - HHO works and those who are doing it successfully could
> >> care
> >> less of a scientific explanation when they have real results (IE You
> >> don't
> >> need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows). Critics are
> >> ignorant of
> >> how exactly "in detail" it works, like myth busters, they have only
> >> pieces
> >> of skewed info, not sufficient to reach an intelligent conclusion
> >> about it.
> >> Make no mistake, there are a lot of wolves selling HHO bunk out there
on
> >> youtube and eBay, but nonetheless HHO does work.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> An electrolyzer does not make a "HHO system", it's only a integral
> >> *part* of
> >> a detailed system. It's true that pre 96 model vehicle require less
> >> parts,
> >> but still require more than just an electrolyzer. All 96 and newer
> >> vehicles
> >> (OBDII CPU's) also need electronic additions in order to lean the fuel
to
> >> air mixture. Used alone these will overheat a vehicle w/o HHO.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> The HHO system is NOT a conversion, uses very little current (less
> >> than your
> >> radio), uses very little water (oz's per several tanks of fuel), is
> >> very low
> >> maintenance and has much more benefits than merely saving gas. It's
> >> the most
> >> "economical and practical" solution to getting more MPG than anything
> >> else
> >> and that's why it's so widely popular and I suspect gathers much
> >> criticism.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Best advise = Buy/Read the books, then DIY for $150 or wait for weeks
> >> on end
> >> to get a professional installation at $1,500.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 10:14 AM, dylan friedman <insyncro@yahoo.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> good to hear.
> >>> keep us posted please.
> >>>
> >>> dylan
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message ----
> >>> From: Neil2 <vidublu@GMAIL.COM>
> >>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> >>> Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 12:50:29 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: Water 4 Gas. com Does it work? Has Anyone Tried it? Know
of
> >>> It?
> >>>
> >>> Me bro and a local guy here in Portland, OR are using HHO/Brown gas
> >>> systems
> >>> and getting good ROI. My bro increased his fuel mileage by 30% and
> >>> told me
> >>> although the complexity is increased to install one on a '96 or newer
> >>> auto,
> >>> the returns are greater. The guys in the Alternative Fuel CoOp I
> >>> meet with
> >>> locally were a little surprised by HHO's results. So many urban
legends
> >>> out
> >>> there. Only three of us in the room even understood the concept and
> >>> benefits.
> >>>
> >>> I've plans to install one on me Vanagon once my brother or Dave get
> >>> their
> >>> designs down to the gnat's arse.
> >>>
> >>> Neil2
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 8:22 AM, Kenneth Lewis
<kdlewis@northstate.net>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> But aren't Ethanol and NO delivered under pressure so quantities are
> >>>> plentiful enough to make a difference? Their rapid expansion also has
a
> >>>> tremendous cooling benefit. I don't think you're in the same ball
park
> >>>> comparing a hamster blowing through a straw and Nitrous.
> >>>> Respectfully,
> >>>>
> >>>> Ken Lewis
> >>>> http://neksiwel.20m.com/
> >>>>
>
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