Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 13:50:19 -0700
Reply-To: Mike Miller <mwmiller@CWNET.COM>
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From: Mike Miller <mwmiller@CWNET.COM>
Subject: Re: 2.1L into '84 Westy project - Cooling system question
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Sounds like you recommend changing the cooling system but how pricey are the
parts?
My 85 worked OK, and my 87 works OK for cooling. So are the later setups
that much better at cooling or is it just that the parts and servicing
things are better?
Mike
On 7/9/08 1:33 PM, "dylan friedman" <insyncro@YAHOO.COM> wrote:
> Scott,
> It is totally possible to sell a complete kit.
> I have parted and converted so many vans at this point.
> I remove the entire heating and cooling system, label it and box it.
> Every hose, clip, mount....you get the picture.
> Most of the people who have purchased these from me have been upgrade diesel
> Vanagons to new motors and want the 2.1 radiator in them for whatever reason,
> some wanted AC, others, better cooling.
> I have kits from automatic Carats and Syncros.
> I always recommend using the Syncro thermostat housing and switching the
> wiring over to Syncro temp senders. Just the way I like it.
>
> I have laid out a auto system next to a 4speed system on the floor, they are
> not that different.
>
> On vans that I am converting and repainting, everything comes out!
> The conversion vans do not get many used anything going into them.
> I replace the plastic lines with stainless, new rad., re plumb the entire
> engine compartment. There isn't much left of the stock system when I am
> reassembling a conversion van.
> I make modifications that I like and know to work, heating and bleeding wise.
>
> I don't do conversions on automatic vans, so swap in the pedal cluster and
> everything needed for a 4 or 5 speed trans. Hense, having auto Carat systems
> to sell off.
>
> Any new plumbing in my vans has been -AN lines and fittings. I don't care for
> the look or performance of the rubber ones. I have found many silicon hoses
> that will work in place of the stock stuff as well. Again that is just the
> way I like to do it.
>
> I am not a business or vendor and just try to share all the parts with the
> Volks who need them.
> I build my dream vans, drive them for a while and than sell them off.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Scott Daniel - Turbovans <sottdaniel@turbovans.com>
> To: dylan friedman <insyncro@YAHOO.COM>; vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> Sent: Wednesday, July 9, 2008 3:31:33 PM
> Subject: Re: Re: 2.1L into '84 Westy project - Cooling system question
>
> Hy dylan,
> two comnplete sets of what ?
> it's not even possible to count EVERY last hose in a 2.1 waterboxer vanagon,
> particularily one with auto trans and rear heater.
> scott
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "dylan friedman" <insyncro@YAHOO.COM>
> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 11:59 AM
> Subject: Re: 2.1L into '84 Westy project - Cooling system question
>
>
>> I second that.
>> 2.1 is far better and will be available for more years.
>> I have sold two complete lots since this thread has started.
>> I have more if needed.
>>
>> dylan
>>
>> --- On Wed, 7/9/08, Jeff @ Autostadt West <vw.doka@GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>> From: Jeff @ Autostadt West <vw.doka@GMAIL.COM>
>> Subject: Re: 2.1L into '84 Westy project - Cooling system question
>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>> Date: Wednesday, July 9, 2008, 2:44 PM
>>
>> Exactly!
>>
>> And... all those water hoses are still available.
>>
>> And... no stupid "H" pipe.
>>
>> And... an easy to bleed cooling system.
>>
>> And... no stupid cross over pipe (both over the engine and behind the
>> pulley).
>>
>> I'd say there are quite a few advantages to changing to the '86 &
>> up cooling
>> system.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Jeff
>> www.vanagonparts.com
>> www.autostadtwest.com
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com]On Behalf
>> Of Chris S
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 11:09 AM
>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>> Subject: Re: 2.1L into '84 Westy project - Cooling system question
>>
>>
>> Or the solution with the newest parts? The cooling hoses, however
>> numerous,
>> on the 2.1L are 5 years younger.
>>
>> Chris.
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 12:46 PM, Stuart MacMillan <macgroup@comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The only advantage to doing this is that you can keep the oil cooler that
>>> the 2.1 comes with, which was not installed on the 1.9. But you'll
>> need
>>> the
>>> exhaust system from a 2.1 as well. On my '84 years ago I installed
>> the
>>> cooler and filter remotely after tapping the 1.9 water pump (the 2.1 pump
>>> is
>>> different) for hose fittings, and using a bypass plate with braided SS
>>> lines
>>> from Earl's Garage.
>>>
>>> Others on the list just left it off with no trouble.
>>>
>>> Consider all these decisions on this project as a variation on Occam's
>>> Razor--the solution with the fewest assumptions (i.e., parts) is the
>>> best.
>>>
>>> Stuart
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf
>>> Of
>>> Chris S
>>> Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 4:12 PM
>>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>>> Subject: 2.1L into '84 Westy project - Cooling system question
>>>
>>> So I jumped in with both feet first. I have COMPLEAT 2.1L engine sitting
>>> in
>>> my garage - coolant lines, coolant distributors, coolant crossover lines,
>>> coolant burp lines, and any other kind of lines, FI stuff, intake,
>>> alternator, vacuum lines and so on.
>>>
>>> CAN I.. without losing many limbs in the process, make my COMPLEAT 2.1L
>>> cooling system hook up to my '84? I'm looking at Bentley.. and it
>> appears
>>> that with some minor tweaking I just might be able to pull it off... OR
>>> AM
>>> I
>>> CRAZY?
>>>
>>> Chris.
>>>
>>> P.S. You'll see a few more silly question from me over the next few
>> weeks,
>>> possibly with pictures, so please bear with my enthusiasm.
>>>
>>>
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