Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 18:07:08 -0700
Reply-To: Jake de Villiers <crescentbeachguitar@GMAIL.COM>
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From: Jake de Villiers <crescentbeachguitar@GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Water 4 Gas. com Does it work? Has Anyone Tried it? Know of
It?
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David, I'm sorry to have to tell you that Smokey died May 9, 2001 - a great
automotive thinker gone.........
On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 4:56 PM, David Beierl <dbeierl@attglobal.net> wrote:
> At 06:38 PM 7/13/2008, miguel pacheco wrote:
>
>> Uhm, read on, the O2 thing is no longer an issue..............
>> Possible or not, it looks like a fun project.
>>
>
> I've got one question, in two* parts.
>
> A: How much energy does it take to electrolyze the water to H and O?
> B: How much energy do you get back by burning the stuff? Is it as
> much as you spent to make it? Hint: No, it isn't.
> C: What's the efficiency of the gasoline --> mechanical -->
> electrical cycle that generates the current to electrolyze the
> water? Guessing 30% in the engine times 80% in the alternator... :-(
> D: Where does the energy come from to do this? Hint: The Gasoline.
>
> *Our THREE main weapons are surprise, fear, ruthless efficiency and
> fanatical devotion to the Pope!
>
> TANSTAAFL. The three laws of thermodynamics say you can't win, you
> can't break even, and you can't get out of the game. There's no
> question that you suffer a net loss of energy by hydrolyzing water
> and then burning the products, made worse by the various
> inefficiencies attendant on generating the electricity. So *IF* this
> method works at all, it has to be by somehow increasing the
> efficiency of the Otto engine cycle by a considerable amount, i.e.
> getting considerably more mechanical output from somewhat less
> thermal input. AFAIK the only remaining area for large improvements
> in recovery of mechanical effort from the thermal cycle involve
> raising the operating temperature of the engine which is currently
> constrained by materials (Smokey Yunick once hoped, maybe still does,
> to build a ceramic engine that would run continuously red-hot for
> just this reason).
>
> So what am I missing? Help me out here...
>
>
> --
> David Beierl - Providence RI USA -- http://pws.prserv.net/synergy/Vanagon/
> '84 Westy "Dutiful Passage," '85 GL "Poor Relation"
>
--
Jake
1984 Vanagon GL
1986 Westy Weekender "Dixie"
Crescent Beach, BC
www.crescentbeachguitar.com
http://subyjake.googlepages.com/mydixiedarlin%27
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