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Date:   Tue, 26 Aug 2008 12:57:51 -0700
Reply-To:   Neil2 <vidublu@GMAIL.COM>
Sender:   Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From:   Neil2 <vidublu@GMAIL.COM>
Subject:   Re: Modernizing the list redux; was: RE: Who is the Manager of this list?
Comments:   To: Robert Fisher <refisher@mchsi.com>
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Robert,

You seem to have a good point. If someone has a reason why the 'parallel' structure would not work (not excuses why they would rather keep it as is, which serve a supposed minority or at least an eventual minority) I'd really like to hear it.

I can hear the 'this isn't a democracy' responses already.

IMO, this decision would best/most wisely be left to three or five geeks to decide (assuming the transparency would exist both visually and functionally). It matters not that this isn't a democracy or someone owns a piece here or manages a part there. What matters is the long term survivability of a 'good' thing, correct?

On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 10:10 AM, Robert Fisher <refisher@mchsi.com> wrote:

> As I said in the previous thread on this, if the system was upgraded I > would > personally still use the email form of it. I'm more concerned with the > state > of the infrastructure, and moving it to, or at least tying it to a more > modern platform would provide a lot of benefits on the nuts-and-bolts-end > (a > usable archive, greater stability, control for the moderator), plus it > would > give options for users, which would be helpful when travelling, for > instance. > If it was properly set up in the parallel form, the bulletin board side of > it would be transparent to those that chose to use email and vice-versa. > > Cya, > Robert > > -----Original Message----- > From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of > Rob > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 8:28 AM > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM > Subject: Re: Modernizing the list redux; was: RE: Who is the Manager of > this > list? > > If the list isn't working out for you there are other more modern > formats and if they are not right then make your own. It comes down > to the question, 'if you really feel the format needs to be changed > then why not just do it?' > > I'm not being a wiseass, I just like it the way it is, if I didn't > I'd be at a Samba forum. I am having trouble understanding why people > are dealing with the e-mail format when they don't like it and there > are other options. > > > Rob > becida@comcast.net > > > > > > At 8/26/2008 07:41 AM,Neil2 wrote: > >I use it as Miguel does but I agree, it needs to change, pronto. If a > >solution to please the 'plankowners' and the newbies can be implemented > it's > >the only wise thing to do before we lose what we have to > >accident/obsolescence. > > > >On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 5:22 PM, Robert Fisher <refisher@mchsi.com> > wrote: > > > > > We just went over this. The categories idea wouldn't work for various > > > reasons, but the list could be put on a BB with parallel email > > functionality > > > which imho would be the best of both worlds. However, the guy that > could > do > > > it doesn't have possession of the server (which isn't actually a show > > > stopper as I understand it) and the grumpy old fart contingent has been > > > vocal in their opposition (not that it would affect them in any > practical > > > sense); added to that, I've yet to see much come from any grand ideas > put > > > forth on the list, the Wiki being a minor exception and that mostly due > to > > > the dogged persistence of Mr. Squirrel. Additionally, I think the lack > of > > > options coupled with the volume of posts is a turn-off to potential > members > > > who by now are used to a more modern internet experience, and what > doesn't > > > grow, dies. > > > > > > My greatest concern about the current state versus the state of the art > is > > > that the server is physically in the hands of an inattentive > > host, to put it > > > kindly, and the software is ancient in computer terms; I'm afraid > > this means > > > that at some point modernization will be forced on us due to some > future > > > major failing of the system that will be beyond our means to > > easily solve. I > > > think there's a fair chance that the list will die or at least be > severely > > > crippled if that happens, probably due to a prolonged shutdown, among > other > > > things. > > > > > > I really think we should address this before we get to that point. > > > > > > Cya, > > > Robert > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On > Behalf > Of > > > miguel pacheco > > > Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 4:25 PM > > > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM > > > Subject: Re: Who is the Manager of this list? > > > > > > I ain't grumpy and welcome change, but I sure like it the way it is. I > > > have mine going to my Gmail and rarely visit Vanagon.com............ > > > > > > Gracias, > > > Miguel > > > >

-- Neil2 '82 Diesel Westfalia (Fwd Puke Qualified) '86 Vanagon/Westfalia Wannabe (Savannah) Nunquam Pendite Divendium


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