Date:         Tue, 26 Aug 2008 09:58:13 -0700
Reply-To:     Robert Fisher <refisher@MCHSI.COM>
Sender:       Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From:         Robert Fisher <refisher@MCHSI.COM>
Subject:      Re: Modernizing the list redux; was: RE: Who is the Manager of
              this list?
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My vanagon is in my possession and I have the means to repair, upgrade or
modify it as needed. This isn't true of the list server.
Talk about faulty logic...

Cya,
Robert

-----Original Message-----
From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of
Jake de Villiers
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 8:17 AM
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Subject: Re: Modernizing the list redux; was: RE: Who is the Manager of this
list?

If you follow that piece of specious logic to its natural conclusion you'll
have to sell your obsolete Vanagon and buy yourself a modern car!  :-)


On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 7:41 AM, Neil2 <vidublu@gmail.com> wrote:

> I use it as Miguel does but I agree, it needs to change, pronto.  If a
> solution to please the 'plankowners' and the newbies can be implemented
> it's
> the only wise thing to do before we lose what we have to
> accident/obsolescence.
>
> On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 5:22 PM, Robert Fisher <refisher@mchsi.com> wrote:
>
> > We just went over this. The categories idea wouldn't work for various
> > reasons, but the list could be put on a BB with parallel email
> functionality
> > which imho would be the best of both worlds. However, the guy that could
> do
> > it doesn't have possession of the server (which isn't actually a show
> > stopper as I understand it) and the grumpy old fart contingent has been
> > vocal in their opposition (not that it would affect them in any
practical
> > sense); added to that, I've yet to see much come from any grand ideas
put
> > forth on the list, the Wiki being a minor exception and that mostly due
> to
> > the dogged persistence of Mr. Squirrel. Additionally, I think the lack
of
> > options coupled with the volume of posts is a turn-off to potential
> members
> > who by now are used to a more modern internet experience, and what
> doesn't
> > grow, dies.
> >
> > My greatest concern about the current state versus the state of the art
> is
> > that the server is physically in the hands of an inattentive host, to
put
> it
> > kindly, and the software is ancient in computer terms; I'm afraid this
> means
> > that at some point modernization will be forced on us due to some future
> > major failing of the system that will be beyond our means to easily
> solve. I
> > think there's a fair chance that the list will die or at least be
> severely
> > crippled if that happens, probably due to a prolonged shutdown, among
> other
> > things.
> >
> > I really think we should address this before we get to that point.
> >
> > Cya,
> > Robert
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf
> Of
> > miguel pacheco
> > Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 4:25 PM
> > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> > Subject: Re: Who is the Manager of this list?
> >
> > I ain't grumpy and welcome change, but I sure like it the way it is. I
> > have mine going to my Gmail and rarely visit Vanagon.com............
> >
> > Gracias,
> >                    Miguel
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Neil2
> '82 Diesel Westfalia (Fwd Puke Qualified)
> '86 Vanagon/Westfalia Wannabe (Savannah)
> Nunquam Pendite Divendium
>



--
Jake
1984 Vanagon GL
1986 Westy Weekender "Dixie"
Crescent Beach, BC
www.crescentbeachguitar.com
http://subyjake.googlepages.com/mydixiedarlin%27