Date:         Tue, 26 Aug 2008 13:31:20 -0400
Reply-To:     Jason Brand <kitambi@EPICSOL.ORG>
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From:         Jason Brand <kitambi@EPICSOL.ORG>
Subject:      Re: Modernizing the list redux; was: RE: Who is the Manager of
              this list?
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In response to my own post, along with this one...I wouldn't have any issue
with, perhaps, someone arranging for donations to upgrade the machine this
is hosted on, if for no other purpose than to make searches not take 20 minutes
and time out.  The P3 is showing its age in a few places.  If there were a
way to make a combined forum/mailing list, that would also be an interesting
idea, worth consideration.

On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 10:10:27AM -0700, Robert Fisher wrote:
> As I said in the previous thread on this, if the system was upgraded I would
> personally still use the email form of it. I'm more concerned with the state
> of the infrastructure, and moving it to, or at least tying it to a more
> modern platform would provide a lot of benefits on the nuts-and-bolts-end (a
> usable archive, greater stability, control for the moderator), plus it would
> give options for users, which would be helpful when travelling, for
> instance.
> If it was properly set up in the parallel form, the bulletin board side of
> it would be transparent to those that chose to use email and vice-versa.
>
> Cya,
> Robert
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of
> Rob
> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 8:28 AM
> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> Subject: Re: Modernizing the list redux; was: RE: Who is the Manager of this
> list?
>
> If the list isn't working out for you there are other more modern
> formats and if they are not right then make your own. It comes down
> to the question, 'if you really feel the format needs to be changed
> then why not just do it?'
>
> I'm not being a wiseass, I just like it the way it is, if I didn't
> I'd be at a Samba forum. I am having trouble understanding why people
> are dealing with the e-mail format when they don't like it and there
> are other options.
>
>
> Rob
> becida@comcast.net
>
>
>
>
>
> At  8/26/2008 07:41 AM,Neil2 wrote:
> >I use it as Miguel does but I agree, it needs to change, pronto.  If a
> >solution to please the 'plankowners' and the newbies can be implemented
> it's
> >the only wise thing to do before we lose what we have to
> >accident/obsolescence.
> >
> >On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 5:22 PM, Robert Fisher <refisher@mchsi.com> wrote:
> >
> > > We just went over this. The categories idea wouldn't work for various
> > > reasons, but the list could be put on a BB with parallel email
> > functionality
> > > which imho would be the best of both worlds. However, the guy that could
> do
> > > it doesn't have possession of the server (which isn't actually a show
> > > stopper as I understand it) and the grumpy old fart contingent has been
> > > vocal in their opposition (not that it would affect them in any
> practical
> > > sense); added to that, I've yet to see much come from any grand ideas
> put
> > > forth on the list, the Wiki being a minor exception and that mostly due
> to
> > > the dogged persistence of Mr. Squirrel. Additionally, I think the lack
> of
> > > options coupled with the volume of posts is a turn-off to potential
> members
> > > who by now are used to a more modern internet experience, and what
> doesn't
> > > grow, dies.
> > >
> > > My greatest concern about the current state versus the state of the art
> is
> > > that the server is physically in the hands of an inattentive
> > host, to put it
> > > kindly, and the software is ancient in computer terms; I'm afraid
> > this means
> > > that at some point modernization will be forced on us due to some future
> > > major failing of the system that will be beyond our means to
> > easily solve. I
> > > think there's a fair chance that the list will die or at least be
> severely
> > > crippled if that happens, probably due to a prolonged shutdown, among
> other
> > > things.
> > >
> > > I really think we should address this before we get to that point.
> > >
> > > Cya,
> > > Robert
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf
> Of
> > > miguel pacheco
> > > Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 4:25 PM
> > > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> > > Subject: Re: Who is the Manager of this list?
> > >
> > > I ain't grumpy and welcome change, but I sure like it the way it is. I
> > > have mine going to my Gmail and rarely visit Vanagon.com............
> > >
> > > Gracias,
> > >                    Miguel
> > >