Date:         Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:52:41 -0400
Reply-To:     B Feddish <bfeddish@NETREACH.NET>
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From:         B Feddish <bfeddish@NETREACH.NET>
Subject:      Re: Who is the Manager of this list?
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Ah yes, the web based email. Search the archives for my rant that almost
everyone complaining about the current list is always from someone with a
free throway email account.  In perspective, those with cludgy web based
emails still have to load a web page to go to their mail, etc. so using a
web based forum is not far off.   I'm still using an EXE based email client
and love the Vanagon list as an email. I hate using a browser when I don't
have to. As far as I'm concerned web based email clients stink*.


Bryan

*Disclaimer: I am a software developer that often gets hired to replace some
cludgy web based program that never really works with a real executable
version. Web development still isn't there yet. Feel free to flame me
personally with your "Have you tried Blahbhahba Version 99 with AJAX???,
It's better than Blahahahaha". I can just delete them quickly with MS
Outlook.


-----Original Message-----
From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of
David Kao
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 12:31 PM
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Subject: Re: Who is the Manager of this list?

Making change will always get resistance, including from myself.
But a modern forum no doubt is far better than the old list platform.
Yahoo, Gmail and probably most other mail programs are all web based.
So a web based forum is not going to be any slower, if the graphic
content and java scripts are kept at a minimum.

Setting up a modern forum is not difficult. They are free from many
web hosting sites. But cost of web hosting could grow out of control
if traffic out of the forum site grows out of control.

With the current list platform it is impossible to respond to posts
interactively. Yahoo very often delays list emails until the next
morning. It is very difficult to search the archive. There is no
storage for photos. Many of the discussion are taken offline so
a lot of discussions are started on the list but get offline and
gone afterwards.

Why resisting the change?

David





--- Gary Bawden <goldfieldgary@GMAIL.COM> wrote:

> Hi Volks,
>
> Just my two cents: I like the current format. Many of us who live out
> in the boonies find dealing with websites to be a PITA (slow speeds,
> etc.). For example, I signed up on Karl Mullendore's Diesel site, and
> while I am happy to see a more specialized forum, it's just not the
> same as what we have here - - more of a community, folksy and open. I
> like that.
>
> Gary
>
> > Date:    Tue, 26 Aug 2008 17:45:23 -0700
> > From:    Jim Arnott <jr.arnott@GMAIL.COM>
> > Subject: Re: Who is the Manager of this list?
> >
> > With regard to the original question, I am.
> >
> > I'm not ignoring you all, I'm listening.  Haven't come to any
> > conclusions yet, but I AM listening.
> >
>
> > 1.) trim, trim, trim.  We are all aware of what's gone before.
>