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Date:         Thu, 4 Sep 2008 11:20:57 -0700
Reply-To:     Jeffrey Vickers <jeff@VICKERSDESIGN.COM>
Sender:       Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From:         Jeffrey Vickers <jeff@VICKERSDESIGN.COM>
Subject:      Re: John Wessels Glori's Import offering Zetec & Subie engine
              conversions
Comments: To: Jim Akiba <syncrolist@bostig.com>
In-Reply-To:  <ac1f198b0809032201g3d48907bw81c8efabd162609d@mail.gmail.com>
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Thanks, Jim. That is indeed grim news for us Kalifornians. Who knows what will happen to those of us here with Subie conversions but if I were thinking about doing one and I lived here, I would get it done sooner than later. Maybe Subie converts will get lucky and get a few years of slack grandfathered in if the conversion becomes illegal here in CA. But maybe not.

Jeff / San Anselmo On Sep 3, 2008, at 10:01 PM, Jim Akiba wrote:

> No, unfortunately it's not possible to obtain an EO for swaps from > anything 96(OBDII) and newer simply because the CARB refuses to look > at it(a soft policy decision it seems). The zone III loophole and > potentially a case by case BAR sticker(we're working on an attempt) > are the only options in CA that aren't illegal outright, and things > are getting much worse for CA folks faster by the minute. Not only did > they roll out the LPFET(Low pressure Fuel Evaporative Test) and not > grandfather anything, they are quickly approaching new legislation > that is looking more an more like Japanese and German efforts to > legally force fleet overturn(which they really need in CA), but the > problem is even people that are trying to help are going to get caught > in the wave and pressed out. It'll be exceedingly difficult to own a > vanagon in coming years I would imagine. > > The new legislation for catalytic converters just went into effect in > July making it impossible to buy a used certified catalytic > converter(which can be read big OEM bucks if you need a new cat, esp > since no aftermarket SULEV cats have gotten CARB certification either > which will start to matter for early 00 vehicles getting older), and > they dumped all CAP(consumer assistance program) funding repair > assistance, if it's done and you can't spring for it, you're done and > you have to buy another car which presumably you can't since you can't > afford to repair the old one. Jan 1, 2010 the new diesel emissions > testing for GVWR<12,000lbs starts as well, so if you have pie in the > sky dreams of a newer TDI in your vanagon that won't be able to happen > anymore either since there is no way you're going to be able to > maintain the full emissions system in a vanagon conversion with the > tdi. I always thought it was completely backwards that the diesel > conversions(which tend to be gross polluters by gas standards) were a > loophole, and you could convert to diesel from gas and not need a smog > check.. especially where they are so utterly consumed with particulate > emissions now.... but that's been taken care of and will stop in just > over a year. > > Slowly and surely they are sewing up the loopholes, and getting more > cutthroat in their aim to remove old cars from the road... I can see > where they are coming from since the percent of cars over 100k miles > registered in CA jumped from 17% to 41% in only five years(95-00) and > caused a nice push for the legislation that is coming on-line today... > it is a perfect storm of popular cause, misinformation, doing the > right thing, and not caring(odd combo but it's working)... but > unfortunately as they try to reach the big goal, folks like us are > going to get crushed in the melee. It makes no difference that the > conversion is demonstrably WAY cleaner than not only the original > engine, but also the ej22 conversion which IS still legal. It also > makes no difference that we can make a light truck(vanagon) into an > SULEV in two days... they don't want a clean vanagon, they want a > clean new car. A clean vanagon doesn't put any money into the pockets > of the people they need help and understanding from(the car companies > and EPA, which is effectively the car companies again) to pass the > most aggressive mobile source emissions legislation in the world. They > are doing the right thing, and doing it for the right reasons, but it > still ticks me off since there is zero room to account for any scope > other than the fleet itself it seems. I would think there will be a > backlash at some point, but there seems to be no slowdown, and things > are picking up speed in the other direction still. I'm glad I don't > live in CA, I would feel ignored and betrayed while torn since it is > actually the right approach given the circumstances. We'll see what > happens when we get to a BAR ref when the time comes, but even then > there will never be a guarantee for the next guy... and it'll add > about $1500 to the cost of conversion. I still haven't given up, and > we will eventually find a solution that works for die-hard owners, but > not many will likely be left around by then it would seem. > > *sigh* > > Jim Akiba > > > > On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 7:34 PM, Jeffrey Vickers <jeff@vickersdesign.com > > wrote: >> Did Zetec get a a CA CARB exemption? >> >> Jeff >> >> >> >> On Sep 3, 2008, at 3:50 PM, Automatic digest processor wrote: >> >>> Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 13:45:42 -0700 >>> From: Dave Mari <vw4x41987@YAHOO.COM> >>> Subject: John Wessels Glori's Import offering Zetec & Subie engine >>> conversions >>> >>> John Wessels Glori's Import shop is now offering Zetec & Subie >>> engine conve= >>> rsions, see below:) >>> =A0 >>> >>> >>> --- On Wed, 9/3/08, euromog@aol.com <euromog@aol.com> wrote: >>> >>> From: euromog@aol.com <euromog@aol.com> >>> Subject: [syncro.org] Now offering engine conversions >>> To: Syncro@yahoogroups.com, syncrolist@yahoogroups.com >>> Date: Wednesday, September 3, 2008, 3:34 PM >> >


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