Date:         Fri, 19 Sep 2008 12:02:48 -0700
Reply-To:     Scott Daniel - Turbovans <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
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From:         Scott Daniel - Turbovans <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
Subject:      Re: help me understand US emissions control strategy.(NVC)
Comments: To: Allan Streib <streib@CS.INDIANA.EDU>
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I could be wrong, but I believe VW was selling TDI diesel cars all along, in
the 'other states' besides the 5 states that have tougher emissions laws.
California is the main one, and leader..........and a few others follow
their lead - Vermont is one ........
I forget the other 3 right now.
And , I think this is correct too - Ca has never outlawed new diesel cars -
they just make the emission standards so tough that they're hard to meet.
Now manufactures are going to urea injection and coming out with 50 state
models I believe, like Mercedes, I think their new Blue-tec diesels are 50
state.

hopefully those don't stink and make a ton of racket like most diesel trucks
and many cars.
About big pick-up trucks and diesel engines, like a Ford F-250
..........plenty of them in Southern Oregon ........
and you can't tell me they're not obnoxiously noisy at idle, and the exhaust
is smelly too.................. rather a turn off and I can imagine it's
healthy to breathe.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Allan Streib" <streib@CS.INDIANA.EDU>
To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 9:22 AM
Subject: Re: help me understand US emissions control strategy.(NVC)


> Yep. US makers will not bother if they can't sell in CA.  Foreign makers
> who have a lot of experience selling passenger diesel cars in the rest
> of the world will not import those into the US if they can't sell them
> in CA.
>
> Subaru was recently quoted, in regards to their new boxer diesel, that
> chances of them of selling it in the US were nearly nonexistent unless
> they could sell it in all 50 states.
>
> Allan
>
>
> "Loren Busch" <starwagen@GMAIL.COM> said:
>>  RE: Diesel
>> What I've gathered from various discussions on diesel is that there is
>> (or
>> was) one major obstacle: California.  For many years California flat
>> outlawed any new diesels.  With that major, major market closed to the
>> auto
>> makers there was no economic way to develop and start marketing diesel
>> powered passenger vehicles.  I understand that California has changed now
>> so
>> who knows what will emerge.
>>