Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 14:04:57 -0700
Reply-To: Scott Daniel - Turbovans <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
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From: Scott Daniel - Turbovans <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
Subject: Re: Winterizing Newbie Question
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curios about two things -
what does MSDS stand for
and what is an 'electronic cigarette' ( # b. below )
thnx.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Arnott" <jrasite@EONI.COM>
To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 1:42 PM
Subject: Re: Winterizing Newbie Question
> RV water system antifreeze is reasonably non-toxic. See the MSDS I posted
> last night.
>
> From the definitive authority on anything, Wikipedia:
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propylene_glycol?
>
> Propylene glycol is used:
>
> a.. As a moisturizer in medicines, cosmetics, food, toothpaste, mouth
> wash, and tobacco products
> b.. In electronic cigarettes to make the produced vapor better resemble
> cigarette smoke
> c.. As a medical and sexual lubricant (A.K.A. "personal lubricant")
> d.. As an emulsification agent in Angostura and orange bitters
> e.. As a solvent for food colors and flavorings
> f.. As a humectant food additive, labeled as E number E1520
> g.. As a carrier in fragrance oils
> h.. As a less-toxic antifreeze
> i.. As a solvent used in mixing photographic chemicals, such as film
> developers
> j.. In smoke machines to make artificial smoke for use in firefighters'
> training and theatrical productions
> k.. In hand sanitizers, antibacterial lotions, and saline solutions
> l.. In cryonics
> m.. As a working fluid in hydraulic presses
> n.. As a coolant in liquid cooling systems
> o.. To regulate humidity in a cigar humidor
> p.. As the killing and preserving agent in pitfall traps, usually used to
> capture ground beetles
> q.. To treat livestock ketosis
> r.. As the main ingredient in deodorant sticks.
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Elliott" <camping.elliott@gmail.com>
> To: "Jim Arnott" <jrasite@EONI.COM>
> Cc: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
> Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 12:31 PM
> Subject: Re: Winterizing Newbie Question
>
>
>> On 9/18/2008 9:02 PM Jim Arnott wrote:
>>
>>> RV antifreeze is the same stuff they use to sweeten wine. It IS food
>>> grade. Propylene glycol if I recall correctly.
>>
>> "There is a popular misconception that some unscrupulous wine growers add
>> antifreeze to their products, in order to cheaply sweeten otherwise
>> shoddy
>> vintages. This myth has been in part perpetuated by a classic Simpsons
>> episode in which Bart helps capture a French duo trying to pull such a
>> scam. While it's true that some Austrian winemakers were caught adding an
>> illicit sweetening agent in 1985, the substance in question was
>> diethylene
>> glycol, not ethylene glycol. Though you probably wouldn't want to chug a
>> gallon of it, diethylene glycol is nowhere near as harmful as its
>> similarly named chemical cousin."
>>
>> "For obvious reasons, there's been quite a bit of agitation for safer,
>> less scrumptious antifreeze [than ethylene glycol]. One solution has been
>> the development of antifreezes, including one called SIERRA, that replace
>> ethylene glycol with propylene glycol, a liquid that's nontoxic enough to
>> be used as a sweetener in children's cough syrup. But propylene glycol
>> costs significantly more than ethylene glycol."
>>
>> See "Why Is Antifreeze So Delicious?" at http://www.slate.com/id/2103821/
>>
>> --
>> Mike "Rocket J Squirrel" Elliott
>> 84 Westfalia: Mellow Yellow ("The Electrical Banana")
>> 74 Utility Trailer. Ladybug Trailer, Inc., San Juan Capistrano
>> Bend, OR
>> KG6RCR
>>>
>>> Yup. M.S.D.S. http://www.peakantifreeze.com/msds/
>>> msds_peak_rv_marine_af.pdf
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>> On Sep 18, 2008, at 7:43 PM, Slloth wrote:
>>>
>>>> I like the idea of the vodka in the water tank rather than the anti
>>>> freeze! I don't like the idea of having anti freeze in my water tank.
>>>
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