Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 14:30:59 -0700
Reply-To: Scott Daniel - Turbovans <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
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From: Scott Daniel - Turbovans <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
Subject: Re: Westie Euro Luggage Rack Replacement
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lots of types of weather strips would work - a very generic part, that clips
to the edge of something,.
in case the stock one is too short or otherwise unuseable.
But that's a long time to wait Roger.
will we even be getting gas and diesel fuel and driving around in a year ?
I sure hope so ..............but one might wonder at times.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Whittaker" <rogerwhitt1@GMAIL.COM>
To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2008 1:18 PM
Subject: Re: Westie Euro Luggage Rack Replacement
> deal wanting fronts piece
> just spoke about this over breakfast this morning --
> with my marine friends
> it is a very easy process indeed -
> it will be a year before i am even close to setting up to do this -
> and in my mind i assume the rubber weather strip is same as the one around
> pop top
> will not know until completed
> yours
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 11:30 AM, Scott Daniel - Turbovans <
> scottdaniel@turbovans.com> wrote:
>
>> so glad to see your feelings on this Neil.
>> as fiberglass things go...........this would be a good one.
>> not too big, not too complicated or heavy etc.
>> Hey Roger........
>> could you remove your front piece and ship it to me so we can reproduce
>> it
>> !?
>> just playing ! But we 'should.' Think of all the gas scores of them
>> in
>> use could save !
>> Scott
>> turbovans
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Neil2" <vidublu@GMAIL.COM>
>> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
>> Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2008 10:32 AM
>> Subject: Westie Euro Luggage Rack Replacement
>>
>>
>> Roger,
>>>
>>> I'm glad it's on your To Do list and when it moves to #1, would gladly
>>> assist ($$$) if you would recip.
>>>
>>> Three of us listees have met and are discussing VW fiber parts and how
>>> they
>>> may be made/sold.
>>>
>>> When I first learned/saw of one of these on a van in Cuba, I placed it
>>> on
>>> me
>>> own To Do list.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 11:07 AM, Roger Whittaker
>>> <rogerwhitt1@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>> dear all
>>>> yes scott is correct ... presently though i am not set up for any sort
>>>> of
>>>> fiberglass repair or production ...
>>>> indeed today moving --
>>>> then moving again in three weeks to another place once it is ready -
>>>> that will be an apartment and fiberglass repairs are frowned upon with
>>>> in
>>>> the building
>>>> likely sometime in the coming year we will get more settled and be in a
>>>> place that allows us to do other stuff
>>>>
>>>> it is on the list of stuff to do ...
>>>> yours
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 10:58 AM, Scott Daniel - Turbovans <
>>>> scottdaniel@turbovans.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > we really should use your front aero westy roof rack replacement
>>>> > piece
>>>> > to
>>>> > make a mold,
>>>> > then make fiberglass reproductions of what you have there Roger.
>>>> >
>>>> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Whittaker" <
>>>> > rogerwhitt1@GMAIL.COM>
>>>> > To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
>>>> > Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 11:31 PM
>>>> > Subject: Re: Aerodynamics and the Westie luggage rack, etc..
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > dear fronts piece wanters
>>>> >>
>>>> >> you guys all laugh at my millage #'s and say they are untrue ...
>>>> >> oh well what ever --
>>>> >> i know the 1.6 TD achieved 35-38 miles to the gallon and
>>>> >> i have yet to take a significantly long journey with the new 1.9 TD
>>>> >> that
>>>> >> replaced that tired little motor
>>>> >> and i know you also laugh at my speed claims ...
>>>> >> yet i just re-listened to the voice diary and in one point of the
>>>> >> trip
>>>> i
>>>> >> had forgotten to shut off the digital recorder
>>>> >> it captured a conversation between wife and i regarding keeping
>>>> >> speed
>>>> >> at
>>>> >> or
>>>> >> around 75 MPH
>>>> >> so i would not get a ticket --
>>>> >> several times on very long stretches of # 10 East bound
>>>> >> i had to tune it down a little as i creeping into the 90MPH zone
>>>> >>
>>>> >> doubt-laugh- scorn - no worries
>>>> >> it was simply my experiance ...
>>>> >> with that nifty fronts piece in place on our
>>>> >> 1989 5 Speed California Turbo Diesel
>>>> >> yours
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 10:18 PM, Andrew Grebneff <
>>>> goose1047@gmail.com
>>>> >> >wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 10:31 PM, Don Hanson <dhanson@gorge.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>> > I did some low budget research about aerodynamics, read up on all
>>>> >>> > the
>>>> >>> > sources I could find, etc. So I know a little, but I certainly
>>>> >>> > can't
>>>> >>> spout
>>>> >>> > data or numbers, just general principals.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Aerodynamics really only come into play at above 110kmh
>>>> >>> (~70mph).The
>>>> >>> vehicle may not feel as though it's run into a wall above that
>>>> >>> speed,
>>>> >>> but your fuel bill will suggest otherwise, almost no matter what
>>>> >>> vehicle (figure that phrase out if you can).
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> That's probably why the top speed of a 25hp (the so-called "36hp"
>>>> >>> engine) Split will top out at 110kmh, empty ot with a tonne of
>>>> >>> cargo.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Modern vans still have external gutters, but that's because they
>>>> >>> have
>>>> >>> a large roof area and concealed gutters couldn't cope with decent
>>>> >>> rain... and of course it would be expensive (anda rust trap) to
>>>> >>> put
>>>> >>> concealed full-length gutters into one.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> The rear of a vehicle is important in drag calculations. A vehicle
>>>> >>> with a sloping back roof and tail (eg a real Beetle) will have a
>>>> >>> poor
>>>> >>> drag coefficient, because there is no separation of airflow over
>>>> >>> the
>>>> >>> vehicle from the air behind it, causing a relarive low-pressure
>>>> >>> area
>>>> >>> behind the entire rear surface of the vehicle, from roof high-point
>>>> >>> to
>>>> >>> bumper. That's why the more aerodynamic cars have a sharp lip on
>>>> >>> the
>>>> >>> back of the trunk edge, and probably why T3s have a very good CD
>>>> >>> (and
>>>> >>> a T2 has a better CD than an E-Type Jaguar)...
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Of course, for a given shape, the larger the frontal area, the more
>>>> >>> overall drag there will be, as you are trying to push a larger
>>>> >>> surface
>>>> >>> through the air (which is a fluid). Take a T3 and double its size
>>>> >>> in
>>>> >>> all dmensions and you'd be increasing the drag 4 times. So take
>>>> >>> this
>>>> >>> into account if you're widening your bus by 20cm and want to retain
>>>> >>> what we laughingly call its fuel-economy.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> ... the rear lip causes separation of the airflow over the car from
>>>> >>> the turbulent air trail behind, reducing overall drag. It probably
>>>> >>> also creates a little downforce at the rear, but it wouldn't be
>>>> >>> significant.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Putting an airdam on the front, IF the dam is windtunnel-tested...
>>>> >>> and
>>>> >>> believe me, most are NOT), can decrease drag by reducing the amount
>>>> >>> of
>>>> >>> air going under the car (which also, by being compressed as it
>>>> >>> paasses
>>>> >>> under the car, which is acting as one side of a venturi, produces
>>>> >>> lift, which is most noticable at the front). However the airdam
>>>> >>> itself
>>>> >>> adds frontal area, which increases drag... so a properly-designed
>>>> >>> airdam is a compromise.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Rear spoilers are supposed to work by forcing air upward as it
>>>> >>> passes
>>>> >>> over the tail, which results in downpressure on the car's tail.
>>>> >>> That
>>>> >>> is the ideal... again, as with airdams, most "spoilers" are just
>>>> >>> eyecandy and have only one effect... increased drag.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Sideskirts are only functional on cars utilizing radical
>>>> >>> "ground-effect" for downforce eg the banned Formula 1 cars.
>>>> >>> On a road car there is nothing to suck air out from under the car,
>>>> >>> so
>>>> >>> skirts have nothing but esthetic function... and are one more thing
>>>> >>> to
>>>> >>> have to repair (as well as being rust-traps, as are most plastic
>>>> >>> addons eg spoilers).
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Just as well that parentheses don't cause rust, or this mess
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> age
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> would be fall in g t o
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> pi
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> e
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> c
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> e
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> s
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> .
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> .
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> .
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> --
>>>> >>> Andrew Grebneff
>>>> >>> Dunedin, New Zealand
>>>> >>> Fossil preparator
>>>> >>> Mollusc, Toyota & VW van nut
>>>> >>> Temporarily in Calgary, AB, Canada
>>>> >>> <goose1047@gmail.com>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> --
>>>> >> roger w
>>>> >> There are two kinds of jobs in the world:
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>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> roger w
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>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Neil2
>>> '82 Diesel Westfalia (Fwd Puke Qualified)
>>> '86 Vanagon/Westfalia Wannabe (Savannah)
>>> Nunquam Pendite Divendium
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
> roger w
> There are two kinds of jobs in the world:
> Picking up garbage and telling people things.
> Successful people do both, with the same good attitude. (riw)
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