Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 13:24:16 -0700
Reply-To: Scott Daniel - Turbovans <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
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From: Scott Daniel - Turbovans <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
Subject: Re: Tip and Tricks: Smoke Signals
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re white smoke on start up.
I had a woman call me from Aspen, Co about her newly done 12,000 dollar AAZ
conversion, and she asked me about white smoke after starting it.
I asked her if the Injection Advance system was working.
She's like 'what ?????"
I told her about the choke knob on the dash - she was sure she would have
noticed it since she just detailed the whole interior, but she missed
noticing it.
I had her look at the engine and the lever on the injection pump for the
cold start cable.
It wasn't there.
duh.
and not 'duh' for this woman.........'duh' for the shop that did her
conversion, left an important part, off, and never said a word, and never
showed her how to operate her new TD engine properly.
Where I am always coming from is...............I want to see good work on
the vans.........but more than that I want to see customers and van owners
getting good value for their money, and really good, responsible work, and
INFORMATION from shops that do the conversion work ..............If the
shop happens to believe the cold start injection advance system ( or any
other factory installed system ) isn't needed ( and if it wasn't VW
wouldn't have put it on there ) .............ok, fine, I can hang with that,
but to not inform the van's owner of their choice there...........you can
imagine how I feel about that.
If there's a check valve to prevent fuel drain back, it would have to be in
the injection pump I'd think.
this brings to mind, about the fuel system..............
It's important to have the clear plastic fuel line from the fuel filter to
the IP so you can watch for air bubbles in there.
Also.............that's downstream of the fuel filter. If there's just a
rubber or neoprene hose there, and it deteriorates on the inside.......
there is no filter protection for the injection pump in that case.
For those tempted to leave things off, or change things ............I would
point out that the factory wants each car to be as inexpensive as possible
to manufacture, and still maintain longevity. If they could leave off a
part............even a washer, and they're making hundreds of thousands of
said vehicle, they would leave off that part if they could. . 'Most
things' done by the factory are for a good reason.
so do people build things 'just good enough' ........or do they build them
'definitely as good as they can get them." ? I'm in the latter camp of
course. Only way I can stand to do things.
Hoping for good solid work on diesel vanagons everywhere !
( hey, they need all the help they can get - lol ! )
Scott
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris S" <szpejankowski@GMAIL.COM>
To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 11:51 AM
Subject: Re: Tip and Tricks: Smoke Signals
> All 1.9 tdi engines smoke on very cold start up. Just a puff and it's
> gone. See tdiclub.com for more info.
>
> On 9/30/08, Roger Whittaker <rogerwhitt1@gmail.com> wrote:
>> dear white smoke
>> i have a diesel -
>> the 1.6 never smoked --
>> not even when it died --
>> not on start up -
>> simply never -
>> the new 1.9 smokes on start up ... indeed -
>> the problem relates to the fuel filter loosing its charge after sitting
>> for
>> about 2 hours
>> i have been told by diesel mechanics that it is likely a check valve some
>> where in the system
>> that is my next item to check as i winterize -
>> it is really tough on the engine and starting cranking to get fuel
>> flowing
>> when it is warm and hasnt been left to sit for more than 1 hour ...
>> cycle the glow plugs & varoom with out even so much as a spot of white
>> smoke
>>
>> -- a properly timed diesel does not smoke --
>> oh yes one hting the 1.6 did on long hard journeys was -
>> spit out a sort of flack like material
>> that was wierd ..
>> yours
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 7:21 AM, Chris S <szpejankowski@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> In a diesel it is normal to see white smoke on start-up on cold days
>>> with a cold engine. It's unburned fuel and goes away quickly.
>>>
>>> On 9/29/08, Scott Daniel - Turbovans <scottdaniel@turbovans.com> wrote:
>>> > hi,
>>> > good list.
>>> > you might mention it's gasoline engine -focuses.
>>> > Tailpipe colors for diesels can be a slightly different story.
>>> > Incorrect
>>> > injection timing can create a white smoke in those sometimes I
>>> > believe.
>>> > Scott
>>> >
>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>> > From: "John Rodgers" <inua@CHARTER.NET>
>>> > To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
>>> > Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 4:01 PM
>>> > Subject: Tip and Tricks: Smoke Signals
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> The thread on white clouds prompted this for the record.
>>> >>
>>> >> Black Smoke - overly rich fuel mixture - fuel control problem. Check
>>> >> fuel and induction components.
>>> >>
>>> >> White Smoke - usually coolant related - gotta leak somewhere into the
>>> >> Exhaust system - Could be head gaskets, cracked heads.
>>> >>
>>> >> Blue or Blue-white Smoke - Usually an oil problem - rings, bad valve
>>> >> guides, scored cylinder wall. A compression check is in order on this
>>> >> one. Often the tailpipe pipe will be oily.
>>> >>
>>> >> Regards,
>>> >>
>>> >> John Rodgers
>>> >> 88 GL Driver
>>> >
>>>
>>> --
>>> Sent from my mobile device
>>>
>>> Chris S.
>>> Disclaimer: "Death and serious injury may occur"
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> roger w
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>> Picking up garbage and telling people things.
>> Successful people do both, with the same good attitude. (riw)
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>
> --
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>
> Chris S.
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