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Date:         Wed, 8 Oct 2008 21:01:38 -0700
Reply-To:     Scott Daniel - Turbovans <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
Sender:       Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From:         Scott Daniel - Turbovans <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
Subject:      Re: Audi Turbo motor swap
Comments: To: Jim Arnott <jrasite@eoni.com>
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thanks for the link. they have him under "Instrument mockups and Special Sampling. NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory "

yeah, I guess he could instrument, and rig for testing a vanagon turbo Audi engine conversion ! this always reminds me of that engineer geek who put a jet engine sticking out the back of his New Beetle, and kept the stock gas engine front wheel drive. Someone's got to do that to a Vanagon ......... big ole tail cone sticking out the back ! .....right where the rear hatch is.

But ........about a turbo Audi engine in a vanagon - just do what Frank does. lol. he also can likely machine or fabricate any part he needs.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Arnott" <jrasite@eoni.com> To: "Scott Daniel - Turbovans" <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM> Cc: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM> Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 8:41 PM Subject: Re: Audi Turbo motor swap

> And yes, Frank is a REAL engineer. Rocket Scientist type. > > <http://quest.arc.nasa.gov/projects/spacewardbound/mojave2007/bios/ > grunthaner.html> > > I suspect that Dr. Grunthaner is more than passingly familiar with Akin's > Laws of Spacecraft Design. > > A real engineer. > > His '82: <http://members.shaw.ca/albell/notable_vans.html> > > Jim > > On Oct 8, 2008, at 7:21 PM, Scott Daniel - Turbovans wrote: > >> thanks, maybe I'll remember this time ' Grun- thaner. ' >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jake de Villiers" <crescentbeachguitar@GMAIL.COM> >> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 7:17 PM >> Subject: Re: Audi Turbo motor swap >> >> >>> Frank Grunthaner is the guy you're looking for. >>> >>> On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 6:54 PM, Scott Daniel - Turbovans < >>> scottdaniel@turbovans.com> wrote: >>> >>>> re your last line there......... >>>> then that means you'll have to do a 50 degree install. >>>> it's doable. >>>> I think what you want to know is 'how can I do it without endless >>>> custom >>>> fabrication >>>> or getting into an unsolvable corner' .............something like >>>> that. >>>> >>>> you know about that conversion shop that does 1.8T Passat type vw >>>> engines >>>> in >>>> vanagons ? >>>> Sacramento, Ca area. Forget their name right now. >>>> I think their conversions are upright though, not 50 degree. >>>> >>>> there are a lot of advantages to keeping the engine at about 15 >>>> degrees >>>> like >>>> it was in the car it came from. >>>> Quite a lot. >>>> I haven't done an upright conversion, but I'd like to do one, just to >>>> see >>>> how good I could get it, how low I could get it, and how much I could >>>> leave >>>> the oil and oil pick-up, turbo installation, etc. alone. >>>> Some people use 'other' turbo exhaust manifolds and an adapter so they >>>> can >>>> get the turbo higher........especially for a 50 degree install. >>>> It's very doable. >>>> I'd do one. Not the most 'drop in' engine conversion, but they have >>>> been >>>> done, and are very doable. It's just one system at a time. >>>> >>>> "not a torque monster' ...........hmm. Turbo gas engines are fun. I'd >>>> expect it to scoot pretty well. Just not at 1,500 rpm. >>>> All the issues are solvable. >>>> I get his last name not quite right all the time ............Frank >>>> Garunther..........( last name is very close to that ) >>>> he's done a audi turbo engine ............at 50 degees I think. He's a >>>> real >>>> engineer/nut ........ >>>> takes an engineering approach like you wouldn't believe. >>>> He has even done in flight video inside a diesel oil pan testing >>>> baffle >>>> configurations and what the oil does, and stuff like that. I think he >>>> is >>>> actually an engineer too. >>>> google him. >>>> he's way into it, and I am certain he has done an Audi gas turbo >>>> engine >>>> in >>>> vanagon. >>>> Scott >>>> www.turbovans.com >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "TJ Hemrick" <x53gunner@GMAIL.COM> >>>> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 4:38 PM >>>> Subject: Audi Turbo motor swap >>>> >>>> >>>> No, I'm not trying to start another flame war. Seriously, I've >>>> searched >>>>> the >>>>> web on and off over the past few months for people who had actually >>>>> swapped >>>>> an Audi 1.8T motor into the ol' Vanagon but haven't stumbled into >>>>> anything >>>>> definitive. Not that any of mine are actually running right now, >>>>> but >>>>> that's beside the point! I've seen pleny of other swaps and yes the >>>>> Zetec >>>>> is the coolest gas conversion going but I've got access to a very low >>>>> mile >>>>> 1.8t engine with harness. Yes, I know it's not really a torque >>>>> monster >>>>> of >>>>> a >>>>> motor but I'm really looking into how difficult it's going to be with >>>>> the >>>>> orientation of the turbo (oil lines and all), intakes and of course >>>>> I'm >>>>> sure >>>>> we could start a side war on the mounting angle issue. As for me, >>>>> (with >>>>> all >>>>> due respect to my trusted source in the great white north - aka David >>>>> Marshall) I'm NOT modding my deck lid come hell or high water. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> >>>>> TJ >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Jake >>> 1984 Vanagon GL >>> 1986 Westy Weekender "Dixie" >>> Crescent Beach, BC >>> www.crescentbeachguitar.com >>> http://subyjake.googlepages.com/mydixiedarlin%27 >


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