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Date:         Sun, 16 Nov 2008 10:05:26 -0800
Reply-To:     Jim Arnott <jrasite@EONI.COM>
Sender:       Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From:         Jim Arnott <jrasite@EONI.COM>
Subject:      Re: ADMINISTRIVIA - List Charter - Final
In-Reply-To:  <DA6DDC4B-94E7-47E4-A5A3-537EEF7F9A59@gmail.com>
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Correction...

Apparently the forwarding is not set up for vanagon- admin@gerry.vanagon.com. Please use vanagon-request@gerry.vanagon.com instead. Charter has been corrected.

Jim

On Nov 16, 2008, at 9:56 AM, Jim Arnott wrote:

> Below is the final edition of the Vanagon List Charter. To those > that offered comments, I thank you. > > If you have additional comments or suggestions, please direct them to > vanagon-admin@gerry.vanagon.com > > Jim Arnott > List Admin > vanagon@gerry > > This is the charter of the Vanagon List. > > Welcome to the list! > > You MUST READ this document and agree to abide by it if you want to

> stay on > the list. > > This list is only about Volkswagen T25 Transporters, Vanagons and > Caravelles, > model years 1980 through end of production. If you have an earlier > bus, or a > Eurovan, you are on the wrong list. For 1950-1967 buses, you will > probably want > Thom Fitzpatrick’s vintagebus list. For 1968-1979 buses you’ll be

> looking > for the type2 list. Each can be found at their respective dot coms.

> For Eurovans, > there is a Yahoogroup list. > > To maintain this resource we use (at the time of this writing) a list > administrator and a server admin. You can always get hold of the > administrator > by sending mail to vanagon-admin@gerry.vanagon.com. > > To post a message to the list, send it to vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com. > > gerry.vanagon.com is funded entirely by donations from list > members. We do not > run advertisements or endorse vendors. You will not be charged (or > expected to > hand over an obligatory donation) for any resource we provide, not > ever. > > This list has about a thousand people on it (yes!), and because of > that we > have to have some rules. This is how we maintain the value of the > list as an > information source. > > > ______________________________________________________________________

> _________ > PRIORITY ONE RULES -- If you screw up here you'll be kicked off the

> list and > quite possibly banned forever (we really mean it): > > > --Do not EVER post UNSUBSCRIBE messages to the list. Clear > instructions for > getting off of the list are printed in every single message the > list server > sends out. Every single one. If for some reason you are having > trouble getting > off of the list, send mail to the administrator on duty at > vanagon-admin@gerry.vanagon.com > > --Do not EVER post "TEST" messages to the list. Don't even think > about doing > this. If you are having trouble posting, send mail to the list > administrator > on duty at vanagon-admin@gerry.vanagon.com and they will help you. > > --Do not EVER post virus warnings, or messages about important > issues that you > think should concern everybody in the world. Do not post messages > unless they > have legitimate Vanagon content. If you think the message you're > sending is so > important that the "Vanagon content" rule does not apply to you, > that means that > you should ==NOT== post it. > > --Do not ever continue a thread that an administrator has "killed".

> This is > fairly rare, but if an admin says, "please kill this thread," then > do not post > any more messages on that topic. This is how the admins keep marginal > discussions from growing out of control. > > --Do not harvest addresses. It is not appropriate to collect the > personal email > addresses of list members and send them bulk email about your event

> or "special > offer". This is called "spamming" and if you do it you will be > denounced > throughout Usenet and all the VW mailing lists, banned from our > list forever, > and we will be talking to your ISP about having your service > terminated. > > --Do not use an auto-responder without unsubscribing from the list > first. If > your "out of the office" program starts trying to post messages to > the list > you will be removed. > > --Do not use profanity on the list. This is not your high-school > locker room. > > > ______________________________________________________________________

> _________ > PRIORITY TWO RULES -- If you screw up here you will be quietly > "moderated", > which means a list administrator will intercept and examine every > message you > try to post to the list. This can slow your messages by up to 48 > hours: > > --Don't post chatty messages. If it does not have legitimate > Vanagon content, > do not post it to the list. There should be a good reason that 1000

> people will > download your message. We do enforce the "no chat" rule > consistently and it is > the number one reason people get moderated. > > --Don't post Friday subjects except on Friday. Historically, the > content > guidelines are looser on Friday, and that is the only day when it > is appropriate > to post messages on certain (marginal) subjects. However, even on > Fridays posts > should have Vanagon content. > > ______________________________________________________________________

> _________ > ETIQUETTE AND LIST CULTURE -- > > --There is a mail size limit of 20,000 characters and we don't allow > attachments. Do not try to post pictures, they won't get through. > > --Please quote only for context. Do not quote other people's entire

> messages > when replying. Especially do not include an entire digest when > replying. > > --Search the List Archive. > In other words, consult the extensive resources available to you at > gerry.vanagon.com before asking on the list. You will get more > information > faster that way. If you ask frequently asked questions (FAQs) or > frequently > annoying recurring threads (FARTS), people will be inclined to > ignore you or > become caustic. > > --Vendors are welcome and encouraged to participate in the list-- > we've had > several vendors who have been valued list members. Specific answers

> to specific > queries about products and pricing are fine, but please avoid > repeatedly posting > advertisements. What we're looking for here is high information > value for the > listees. If we think you are merely spamming we will moderate you > very quickly. > > --Occasionally, a list member will have a problem with the > performance of a > vendor or with a private transaction gone bad. If you are having > trouble with > a vendor, do everything you reasonably can to resolve it WITH THE > VENDOR before > you bring it to the list. Do not ambush people. If you can't > resolve it yourself, > it is a valid topic for discussion on the list, but please stick to

> the facts of > the vendor's product or performance. Flames are not appropriate > EVEN IF you can > prove you've been shafted. > > --Try to write using conventional capitalization, syntax and > spelling. It > indicates respect for the reader, and intentionally ignoring these > conventions > indicates contempt. > > > ______________________________________________________________________

> _________ > PRIVACY POLICY > > We detest spammers. We will not sell or share our subscriber lists > no matter > what the inducement. Our list server will not reveal the addresses of > subscribers through automated commands. Our web site does not > employ cookies. > > We do log all web transactions and all mail transactions; this is > done strictly > for the sake of security. We do not keep track of your browsing > habits. By > subscribing to this list you have not consented to receive > "promotional email" > or any other such rubbish. In short, we will not spy on you, and if

> you have > trusted us with your email address we will do our best to see that > your trust > is not betrayed. > > > ______________________________________________________________________

> _________ > LEGAL STUFF > > 1. This is not a moderated list. The administrator doesn't see the > messages > until you do, maybe later than you do, and because of the nature of

> this medium > the administrator has no way of retracting messages from public view. > Propagation is automatic; once you send a message, it's gonna go, > and there's > no way of stopping it. > > 2. Since that is true, the administrator cannot control what is > posted to this > list, and therefore disclaims any responsibility for the messages > the list > server propagates. If you post a message, you alone are responsible

> for it. If > you don't like that, then don't post messages. > > 3. This list is distributed from a server located in the USA. By > United States > copyright law (and by treaty with many other countries), messages > posted to > this list are copyrighted with all rights reserved by their > respective authors. > The administrator of this list makes no claim to ownership of your > messages and > will not republish or sell them, and neither should anybody else. > > However, cross posting is common on the Net whether it is > authorized or not, > and if you post a message to this list it will automatically be > entered into > at a publicly accessible online archive, where it will remain > permanently. If you > don't like the possibility of your words being cross-posted or > archived, then don't > post messages. > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > + To unsubscribe from the Vanagon List send an e-mail to > + listserv@gerry.vanagon.com with SIGNOFF VANAGON > + in the body of the message. > ------------------------------------------------------------

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