Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 15:37:09 -0800
Reply-To: Steven Johnson <sjohnso2000@GMAIL.COM>
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From: Steven Johnson <sjohnso2000@GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Boston Bob's flywheel video
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Hi Scott,
Thanks for your generous reply. The thing is, I've already returned the van
twice for the same known oil leak
from the engine seal problem. They know it's leaking from there. The
confirmed it twice by checking before
proceeding. I know it's there because there is no where else for it to come
from. Not the top side. No leaks
there. I checked. And it's certainly not the transmission because I know
what that smells like. So basically
they've made 3 attempts to fix this same problem and have not fixed the
problem. I really don't want to have
to keep going back just so I can get my van home with the same leak. And I
don't want further damage from
a crappy job. That is why I posted to the list in the first place....
Steven
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 1:42 PM, Scott Daniel - Turbovans <
scottdaniel@turbovans.com> wrote:
> hi Stevan,
> not quite enough information yet.
> You say it's an oil leak in that area, and the first thing to deteremine is
> if it's engine oil or a transmission oil leak.
>
> Here's what I do with my customers in a case like this. ( well, first I'm
> super careful during the clutch job to watch out for any unusual or
> 'new/unkown previously' things that could make the job come out not right. I
> don't do 'slam dunk' repair at all. To me it's not putting in a new clutch
> and rear main seal, it's fussing over the entire area and everything related
> to ensure a successful job )
>
> and..............when there is a problem. I just say, 'let me see the van'
> ..............and if it is say leaking in the clutch area after a good
> clutch and rear main seal job, what I do then is treat it just like it was
> my own van............I take it back apart and see what's going on. If I
> made a mistake.............then I fix it and you get my apologies for your
> inconveninece...........and even an offer for some free service in the
> future , something like that.
>
> If it's 'something new' ...............like say it was a trans input shaft
> seal that's now leaking ...............I'll comunicate with the customer
> when I get it apart and make some agreement that's fair.
> It will likely fall into one of 3 areas :
> It was just a mistake or poorly done work in the first place.
> 2. It was something that was there all along, but didn't get noitced and
> addressed when doing the job in the first place.
> 3. It's something that is by coincidence a 'new issue' .
>
> I personally figure that when someone pays for good work...............and
> spends good money.....................that buys them consideration for quite
> a while. I do not do '90 days warranty' kind of warranties. That basically
> says that on day 91 thew shop says 'we did our 90 days, we have no
> repsonsibility now."
> ( I just spend almost 2 grand on a computer recently.........and had issues
> about 3. and 1/.2 months later............the shop's owner's attitude was
> 'we did our 90 days , not our problem'.........well of course that is very
> agravting to me sinice I just spent the big bucks with them in good faith
> that I'd be on the right track and they'd be there, at least
> somewhat.........for a while. Not 2 years, later, but 3 1/2 months later -
> darn right they should AT LEAST be willing to take a look at it. I got what
> I needed out of them, but I had to straighten them out a bit. - that owner
> is really weak on what true 'customer service and carring is )
>
> anyway.............on clutches or anything in the bell housing
> area.........
> it always comes down to, in a black or white way ...........no progress
> will be made until the engine and transmission are separated for a careful
> inspection.
> At the least they should offer to do that ............and likely something
> isn't right in there............and if it's 100 % their goof.......then of
> course they should take care of it.
> If it's 'something new' or 'something more'............then they should do
> something very fair, and both parties invest a little more time and dollars
> into making it right.
> If they flat missed something obvious they should have caught while in
> there............then they 'owe you' for having to do that work over,
> perpaps the new part/s would be on you, but not the whole labor for the job.
>
> sorry it got so long !
> hope it works out. For sure, find out if it's engine oil or transmission
> oil.
> and............it can be more than just a seal is bad or poorly installed -
> it can be related to worn engine, etc.
> good luck ! Hope what I wrote makes half sense and is followable at least
> mostly !
> Scott
> www.turbovans.com
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Johnson" <sjohnso2000@GMAIL.COM>
>
> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 8:52 AM
> Subject: Re: Boston Bob's flywheel video
>
>
> Hi all,
>>
>> Well, I've have an issue here with an oil leak between my transmission and
>> engine.
>> I already know it's coming from a seal leak. This all started when I took
>> my '91 Westy
>> into Stephan's Auto Haus here in Sacramento where I had the Clutch
>> replaced. Before
>> this work was done my Westy had absolutely no oil leaks what-so-ever.
>> Since
>> this work
>> was done, it has leaked a small amount after every drive. I've taken it
>> back to Stephan's
>> to remedy this twice! This is not a convenient trip for me as it is 30
>> miles out of my
>> way and takes a huge chunk out of my day. The only thing positive about
>> it
>> is that it
>> is still under warranty. But if it doesn't get fixed, what good is that?
>> Then I see this
>> video and I'm really getting nervous about a job that may be causing
>> damage
>> to my
>> van.
>>
>> So oh wise and might list, what do you think I should do next? I'm really
>> dissappointed
>> with Stephan's at this point.
>>
>> Thanks for any and all suggestions.
>>
>> Steven
>> '91 Westy
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 8:39 PM, Jake de Villiers <
>>> crescentbeachguitar@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Yup, its a goodie. I wish it had been around when I changed motors in
>>> > Dixie.
>>> >
>>> > I talked to Bob when I swapped over the flywheel from Dixie's old motor
>>> to
>>> > the replacement motor, which came from an automatic van. I didn't know
>>> > about the endplay shims etc and just about sh*t myself when I heard >
>>> that
>>> I
>>> > missed an important step!
>>> >
>>> > Bob said "Is it running well? You must have gotten lucky. It happens.
>>> > Don't worry about it." :-)
>>> >
>>> > On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 5:22 PM, The Westy man <thewestyman@gmail.com
>>> > >wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > I'm not sure if any of you looked at this video with Bob yet.
>>> > >
>>> > > ----- Original Message -----
>>> > >> From: "Bob Donalds" <donalds1@VERIZON.NET>
>>> > >> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
>>> > >> Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 7:20 AM
>>> > >> Subject: Re: Clutch replacement Hints
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >> I also recommend the OEM seal
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> I only found out after making my Flywheel seal video that it had a
>>> > larger
>>> > >>> spring and
>>> > >>> is designed to accommodate the radius at the flywheel without being
>>> > >>> counter
>>> > >>> sunk as it is has 12 MM dept
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> for your viewing pleasure
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> http://www.bostig.com/files/bostonbob&bostig-proper_wbxflywheel_install.wmv
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> Bob Donalds
>>> > >>> Boston Engine
>>>
>>>
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