Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:39:53 -0800
Reply-To: Jake de Villiers <crescentbeachguitar@GMAIL.COM>
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From: Jake de Villiers <crescentbeachguitar@GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: THIS DOESN'T WORK!! (was,
Re: Using Google Groups to archive messages)
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Good point Wes. ALL of the possible topics have been covered repeatedly and
the answers are in the Gerry.vanagon Archives.
In a perfect world, I'd be able to add ALL of those Archives to the 3 years
I already have on Gmail...........
On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 12:50 PM, pickle vanagon <greenvanagon@gmail.com>wrote:
> Of course I agree. It's a good "first resort". But thinking it actually
> works misleads people into thinking the answer they're looking for isn't
> there, just because google didnt' find it.
>
> -Wes
>
> On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 1:55 PM, Rob <becida@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > yes it does not work all the time but often "subject"
> site:vanagon.comwill return enough results for me and it's a LOT faster than
> going right to
> > the vanagon list archives http://gerry.vanagon.com/archives/vanagon.html.
> > If I don't find what I want (or need) I go to the list archives.
> >
> > It's not THE answer, it's a just another answer. FWIW the list archives
> > work a lot better (for me) if I limit it to a couple of years at a pop.
> >
> > Rob
> > becida@comcast.net
> >
> >
> >
> > At 11/30/2008 09:56 AM, pickle vanagon wrote:
> >
> >> Sorry for shouting in the subject line. But, as you say, this
> suggestion
> >> is
> >> posted all the time, in varying forms. But, as I've posted a few times
> >> before, it doesn't really work!! Google does not currently index the
> >> whole
> >> vanagon site. (Don't ask me why). When you try to search the list this
> >> way, you are missing a large fraction of the archive.
> >>
> >> For example, I challenge you to find the following message ("randomly"
> >> selected):
> >>
> >>
> http://gerry.vanagon.com/cgi-bin/wa.exe?A2=ind0611b&L=vanagon&F=&S=&P=28169
> >>
> >> This message contains the search terms head, gasket, and acura
> >>
> >> But you will never be able to find this message using google, because
> >> google
> >> does not know of its existence. This seems to me to be the case for the
> >> vast majority of messages actually. So, two lessons here. First of
> all,
> >> all those times when you used google to search the list, there probably
> >> were
> >> a lot of more relevant results that you missed. Secondly, there really
> is
> >> a
> >> search problem. The archive search is basically unusuable and google is
> >> NOT
> >> a substitute (it doesn't work, it just looks like it does). Currently,
> if
> >> I
> >> NEED to search the archives, I find the only reliable option is to
> search
> >> "by email" using the instructions here:
> >> http://gerry.vanagon.com/info/searching.html (note that though this
> >> sometimes takes a while, it always works.)
> >>
> >> The issue with google is an issue with ALL currently available methods
> of
> >> using google to search the archives. Including using "advanced"
> searches,
> >> or using the site:vanagon.com command, or whatever. If you think you
> >> have a
> >> way that works, try to use it to find the message I linked to above.
> >>
> >> In response to the original poster (about google groups), I think its a
> >> great idea. Hopefully, they'll add the possibility of moving over the
> >> past
> >> emails in the future.
> >>
> >> -Wes
> >>
> >> On Sat, Nov 29, 2008 at 12:44 PM, Bob Stevens <mtbiker62@comcast.net>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > A thorough search of the archives (yes, tongue in cheek) will disclose
> >> what
> >> > has been suggested here .... that entering your search subject, then "
> >> > vanagon.com archives" in the google search box, will always get you
> >> very
> >> > quick results. That then brings to mind the blather that is included
> in
> >> the
> >> > majority of posts, while not changing the subject in the subject box
> and
> >> the
> >> > reason the archives are so full of not-much-of-use. Go take a look.
> It's
> >> a
> >> > fact.
> >> >
> >> > The wheel does not need reinventing (IMNSHO), but does need to be put
> on
> >> > the Vagen we already have in order to be useful.
> >> >
> >> > Bob
> >> > '87 Syncro Westy
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
>
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Jake
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