Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:31:21 -0800
Reply-To: David Marshall <mailinglist@FASTFORWARD.CA>
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From: David Marshall <mailinglist@FASTFORWARD.CA>
Subject: Re: E-Code Headlights
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There is no such thing as city light - a urban legend or myth. On
any of the VW range of vehicles there is no such thing as separate city /
park lights - or really any other European car. My BMW F650GS even
has a park light inside of the headlight and the signal markers only come
on when I signal. Europe is the same as North America where all
motorcycles have DTRLs, so there is NO WAY you can drive with your
"city light" on. It is a park light.
Here are the parts lists required for each side of the pond for the T3 /
Vanagon:
ECE Head Light
255 941 105 and
106 halogen headlight unit
533 941
669 socket for park light
N 017 717 2
12V 4W bulb
N 017 763 2 12V 55/60W H4 halogen bulb
111 941 605 A Weather boot
ECE Turn Signal
251 953 141 and 142 turn signal
017 732 2
12V 21W bulb
171 953 053 Socket for bulb
DOT Head
Light
255 941 105 A and 106 A halogen headlight
unit
N 100 666 01 12V 50/70W 9004 halogen bulb
165
941 621 Sealing ring for halogen bulb
DOT
Turn Signal
251 953 141 B and 142 B turn signal
017 738
2 12V 21W / 21W bulb **** TWIN ELEMENT ****
171 953 053
A Socket for bulb
As you can see all parts are different
between USA / Canada and the rest of the world - our signal markers have
two elements, one for park and one for signal. ECE has only one
element, which is only for signaling. The park light is in the
headlight. Both headlights are halogen headlights, one uses an ECE
compliant H4 bulb and the other a DOT compliant 9004 bulb.
The little 4W light in the ECE headlight is for parking lights
only. There is no way you can use these lights to see, only to be
seen and according to the very friendly Police man in Nürnburg at
night, in the whole of the EC, you must have you main headlights ON just
like we do here in North America. I'll PayPal C$20 the first person
where that can show me officially where these 4W bulbs on a T3 are
"city lights" and not "park lights" and designed to be
used at night in the citys of the European Community due to too much light
polution or any other reason. On a European T3 you can put the turn
signal on left, turn the engine off and the left park light is on - or
right for right - the person at the end or beginning of a line of cars is
supposed to have their street side park light on - although I seldom see
this when I am there.
David Marshall
http://www.hasenwerk.ca
Box 4153, Quesnel BC, Canada V2J 3J2
Engine Conversion FAQ - http://www.hasenwerk.ca/faq
On
Thu, December 11, 2008 15:20, Chris S wrote:
>
> Not park
lights but city lights.
>
> On 12/11/08, David Marshall
<mailinglist@fastforward.ca> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I don't mean to offend, but show me something where EU law says
that you
>> must drive with only the park lights on in cities.
I have first hand
>> experience that you can't do this. If
this was the case, ALL ECE
>> lights would have this
"feature".
>>
>> David Marshall
>>
>> http://www.hasenwerk.ca
>> Box 4153,
Quesnel BC, Canada V2J
>> 3J2
>>
>>
Engine Conversion FAQ - http://www.hasenwerk.ca/faq
>>
>> On Thu, December 11, 2008 11:18, Chris S wrote:
>>>
>>> David, not all european lights have this
feature, which could be
>>> explained by the fact it is a
more recent addition to some EU
>>> countries' laws. It is
meant to enable you to drive in the
>>> brightly-lit cities
at night with only these 'city lights' and in
>> turn
>>> preventing you from blinding traffic.
>>>
>>>
>> On 12/11/08, David Marshall
<mailinglist@fastforward.ca> wrote:
>>>> European
lights have a hole in the back side of them for a park
>>
light
>>>> which is also known as in these parts a
"city
>> light" - not sure
>>>>
where that term came from as it is
>> illegal in Germany to
drive at night
>>>> in
>>>> the
>> city with only your parking lights on. To translate
literally
>>>> German to English it would be called a
"standing
>> light" or park
>>>>
light.
>>>>
>>>>
>> Signal
markers in European vehicles come on only when
>>>>
you
>> signal. So at night, the yellow lights on your van stay
off
>>>>
>> unless you signaling to turn.
>>>>
>>>> David
>> Marshall
>>>> VW Adventure
>>>> Driver and BMW
Adventure
>> Rider
>>>>
>>>>
http://www.hasenwerk.ca
>>>>
>>>> On
Thu, December 11, 2008 07:30, mordo wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> No, I'm not sure of that
>> but I didn't have the impression that the
>>>>
parts
>>>>> man
>>>>> was doing
anything but looking up
>> the
>>>> numbers I
gave him.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>> I wasn't surprised at the quote -
>>>> I often
get very
>> reasonable pricing from
>>>>>
the dealer here.
>>>>>
>>>>> That
is good info to know about the
>> connectors, boots
>>>> and such but I don't
>>>>>
>> understand the parking bulb holder. That is
>>>> a separate bulb
>> holder and
>>>>> connector for a Euro parking light?
>>>> Does the housing have a separate hole
>>>>> for
>> said holder?
>>>>> On 12/11/08, David
>> Marshall
>>>> <mailinglist@fastforward.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are
>>>> you sure they
>> are not just tacking an
"A" at the end of the
>>>>
>>
part
>>>>>> number
>>>>>>
and quoting on
>> that - after all
>>>> the
dealer does know more than us
>>>>>> right!? I
>>>>>>
>>>> called
>> Hub
City Motors - the VW dealer in Prince George about this and
>>>>>> those
>>>>>> non-A part
numbers are not
>> valid. The
>>>> part
numbers with "A" next to
>>>>>> them
>>>>>>
>>>> are listed as
>> halogen, but are still the 9004 bulb DOT spec lights. In
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> USA at least,
it would be
>> illegal for VW to
>>>> sell
non-DOT approved
>>>>>> lights.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> Remember you also need more than just the light shells
for the
>> european
>>>>>> lights. You
also need the weather boot for
>> the back, park
>>>> light bulb
>>>>>> holder,
park
>> light bulb and the main H4 bulb and
>>>> an H4 wiring plug as
>>>>>>
well.
>>>>>> When Fast Forward
>>>> was a going concern I had LOTS of people telling me
I
>>>>>> was
>>>>>> ripping
every one off with my
>> light pricing as someone else was
>>>> just
>>>>>>
>>
quoting
>>>>>> them on just the shells and they
>>>> didn't want to realise that. You need
>>>>>>
>> all
>>>>>>
the
>>>> extra little bits or else the
>>
first time it rains you will get water
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> the lights and that's not good!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> David Marshall
>>>>>> VW Adventure Driver
>>>> and
BMW Adventure
>> Rider
>>>>
>>
http://www.hasenwerk.ca
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On
>> Thu, December 11,
>>>> 2008 06:33, mordo wrote:
>>>>>>
>
>>>>>> > Check your
>>>>
local dealer's pricing. Just last week, I was quoted the
>>>>>>
>>>> very
>>>>>> > same
>> price by my local
dealer (Russell VW -
>>>> Baltimore) that
>>
our
>>>>>> reliable
>>>>>>
> online VW
>>>> vendors sell them for - about $187
each. They said they
>>>>>>
>>>>
could
>>>>>> > have
>>>>>> > them to me in 3-4
>>>>
days.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>>
> I for one am hoping
>> Santa
>>>> brings
me some E Codes for Christmas.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>>
>>>>> cheers,
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
mordo
>>>>>> > Head lights come up with
>>>> reularity,
>> so I thought I would post
this. It
>>>>>> >> is an
>>>> E-mail from Loren Busch to the list, referencing Daryl
at AA
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
transaxle, and some e-code
>> numbers. Read the whole e-mail to
get
>>>> the
>>>>>> >>
proper geist of it.
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> >> But there is the thing. I talked
>> to Camelback this
>>>> morning about
>>>>>>
>> these
>>>>>> >> and here is the
>>>>
>> scoop.
>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>> >> All
>> the
parts are
>>>> "obsolete) parts - BUT - may still
be
>> available.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Parts guy was
>> pretty sure they
would be available inspite of the
>>>> fact
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> >> the
"obsolete
>>>> designation.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
Headlight -
>>>> Euro H4
>>>>>>
>> 255-941-105 - (left) $216/ea
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 255-941-106 - (right) $216/ea
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
Adjusters:
>>>>>> >> 255-941-140-C $9.00
>>>> (2
>> required)
>>>>>> >> 255-941-133 $5.00 (2 required)
>>>>>> >> 255-941-297 $10.00 (2 required)
>> Hope this helps.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>
>>>> John Rodgers
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