Actually, I should have been more specific, I do want arm rests. These are very valuable to me on long trips! Yup, I'm a sinner.... Oh, and I'm very comfortable with thinking my way through the options, 'arm rests up or down?' If you need to get out of the car and your seatbelt prevents you from succeeding, well, just remove the seatbelts and you'll never have that problem again. Same thing with the door..........if it continues getting in your way everytime you try to exit the van, remove it too! Thanks for your help............
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