Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 14:49:48 -0800
Reply-To: Scott Daniel - Turbovans <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
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From: Scott Daniel - Turbovans <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
Subject: Re: Front Seat Upgrade............Cheap Alternative To Recaros?
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next time you're working on something designed dumbly in a vanagon ....
say adjusting the clutch master slave push rod length.....
the single hardest adjustment in the whole van............
and you're cursing.........just remember, 'it's not bad design, it's just an
idiosyncrasy.'
I'll tell you why the seat arm rests interfere with the front doors, and why
they didn't worry about it.
- that's because the two front swiveling seats are designed for facing each
other with the small table between them.......
with two kids to sitting there facing each other to eat din-din. It's
shown in the camper owner's manual.
In that case............for sure, that the seats hit the door parts doesn't
matter.......
and this is a good example of very ridged german mind set........it is
designed for One Thing.........
only 'Correct Use' ( in their minds ) and nothing else.
It's apparent throughout a lot of german design. And that is Idiosyncratic
all right..........."Zay vill use it zee vay vee disigned it to be used,
and no other vay !!"
In good design there's no way to use it wrong, or assembly it wrong, or use
it in a way where it can hurt itself.
I'll stop here...........there was a german engineered aircraft retractable
nose wheel design......in Canada over a 15 year period there were some 80
cases of a regional airliner, forget the make..........where they had to
land with the nose wheel turned 90 degrees to the correct way for landing.
In the final analysis of why this kept occurring ........Canada's national
aircraft safety board came up with - 'a maintenance error that was design
influenced.'
In other words....
the people that designed it..........german engineers as I
remember..............designed it so it could be put together incorrectly,
and it was not easy to tell either, and that's how they had all those
potentially very serious landing incidents.
you know Murphy's Law right ?
Ever see a 'traveling mouse seat belt design' break off a visor ?
or choke a technician reaching in the car's window to turn the key off or on
during repair and testing ?
or.......I'll stop here I swear..............people killed or even beheaded
by seat belts going off violently in minor fender bender accidents ?
That' all falls under 'dumb design.' I say.
have fun !
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris S" <szpejankowski@gmail.com>
To: "Scott Daniel - Turbovans" <scottdaniel@turbovans.com>;
<vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 2:07 PM
Subject: Re: Front Seat Upgrade............Cheap Alternative To Recaros?
> It's not bad design but an idiosyncrasy. It's just a part of the
> traits that give our Westfalias the charming personality it has.
> Otherwise, the world I'd full of other choices you're welcome to
> partake.
>
> On 12/8/08, Scott Daniel - Turbovans <scottdaniel@turbovans.com> wrote:
>> right.......
>> don't even get me started - lol.
>> I hate dumb design.
>> .....so what happens when you swivel around a seat with arm rests on
>> it.........the 'was inner' arm rest is then in conflict with the door
>> handle
>> on the door, or whatever other part sticks out, and the seat has to be
>> a
>> little crooked instead of straight or able to move a little. If just
>> putting the arm rest up was a fine solution........
>> I haven't noticed that it is, let's say.
>>
>> I mean.....in 'design' ............everything should move easily, not
>> interfere with anything else..etc.
>> like say in a house............would you make a door so that when it was
>> standing wide open it blocked off a window ???
>> I wouldn't that's for sure.
>> so when things are 'reconfigurable..........like swiveling front seats,
>> smart designers make it work so it works nicely in all modes.
>> Just like in engine conversions...........everything should be made very
>> easy to work on, easy to access etc.....
>> it's not a lot harder to make it nice, and it's about 300 % more
>> rewarding
>> when it is.
>>
>> and what I think of the stock vanagon Adventurewagon interior set up
>> .............I better be quiet ! lol.
>> Scott
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Tom Buese" <tombuese@comcast.net>
>> To: "Scott Daniel - Turbovans" <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
>> Cc: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
>> Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 12:35 PM
>> Subject: Re: Front Seat Upgrade............Cheap Alternative To Recaros?
>>
>>
>>>I bet the arm rests on both sides were planned to be universal so that
>>>you
>>>can rotate the seats & anyone could leave the armrest on the door side
>>>whether RHD or LHD, up & out of the way?
>>>
>>> YMMV,
>>>
>>> Mr. BZ-no arm rests at all
>>>
>>>
>>> On Dec 8, 2008, at 1:18 PM, Scott Daniel - Turbovans wrote:
>>>
>>>> yeah, no kidding on those arm rests - very dumb design !
>>>> Seat belt gets tangled in it too.
>>>> Nuthin' wrong at all with having the arm rest on the door.......cause
>>>> it
>>>> automatically moves out of the way when you open the door - duh !
>>>> VW designers would have been so proud to figure it out the other way
>>>> ........
>>>> where they always had put arm rests on the seats............to get the
>>>> brilliant idea to move it to the door !
>>>> On the other hand, having arm rests on the inboard side of the front
>>>> seats
>>>> is very nice.
>>>>
>>>> you can also add an arm rest from a door of an earlier vanagon. I have
>>>> a
>>>> few
>>>> of those for sale.
>>>> Scott
>>>> turbovans
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "M'obeechi" <obeechi@RUNBOX.COM>
>>>> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 8:12 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: Front Seat Upgrade............Cheap Alternative To
>>>> Recaros?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I hate those arm rests. Try getting out of your car in a hurry when
>>>> one
>>>> is
>>>> flipped down. I'd rather have arm rests built into the front doors.
>>>> Tossed
>>>> my Carat arm rests a long time ago. Happier ever since.
>>>>
>>>> From: JordanVw@AOL.COM
>>>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>>>> Subject: Re: Front Seat Upgrade............Cheap Alternative To
>>>> Recaros?
>>>>
>>>>> In a message dated 12/7/08 11:42:54 AM Eastern Standard Time,
>>>>> trvlr2001@COMCAST.NET writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> > Stock Seats Are Terrible !!!!
>>>>> > (In my humble butt's opinion !!! :o)
>>>>> > I always put Carat Seats (with arm rests) in All of my Westys !!!
>>>>> > ( removing the swivel on the Drivers side)
>>>>> > And I use a gel pad too !!! :o)
>>>>> > John C...
>>>>> > SLC, UT
>>>>> >
>>>>> > ( the chorus ;o)
>>>>> > skinny butt skinny butt skinny butt skinny butt
>>>>> > I got me a skinny butt
>>>>> > sometimes I take it down town
>>>>> > & I give it a Strut
>>>>> > skinny butt skinny butt skinny butt !!!!
>>>>> >
>>>>> > heh heh heh ;o)
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>> u might want to look into a butt donut too, john... :<)
>>>>>
>>>>> im not implying anything :<)
>>>>>
>>>>>
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