Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:10:33 -0800
Reply-To: Scott Daniel - Turbovans <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
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From: Scott Daniel - Turbovans <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
Subject: Re: Got GAS?
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I doubt that there is, in the long term, much 'they've screwed themselves
permanently......
given the extreme #'s of people in Inida and China who want thier first ever
car...............
just to name one factor and two groups.......among many .......the demand
for petroleum is not likely to diminish for a long time yet.
I read a very interesting aritcle about this gas versus diesel price thing.
The article I read in Car & Driver magazine stated that out of a barrel of
crude..........depending on which refining process is used.....
the refineres here in north america use one 'main process' .......in Europe
they use 'the other main process that's common' ..........
and that they get more gasoline out of a barrel of crude than
diesel.........the process dictates that.
In Europe they end up making more gasoline than they actually need, to get
the amount of diesel fuel they need..........and they actually export
gasoline.
Given the amount of diesel fuel used in trasportation........ships, trucks,
and a few trains.......
demand for diesel is very high.
It's not likely to become less expensive than gasoline again.......from what
I read anyway. The days of diesel being cheaper than gas may be over.
I just read that California is going to start getting after the trucking
industry and all the diesel city buses used in California to clean up their
act .........diesel exhaust is bad news. New diesel trucks and engines have
modern emissions standards to meet of course..........I think the automobile
side of that is not that huge a portion of the whole
problem.........overall, considering all diesels used in
transportation..........cars are not that big a part of the emissions
issue........but there's a lot to be done yet on trucks and buses from what
I read.
As for 'being hooked' .........right now it feels to me that everyone
remembers very well what 4-plus dollars a gallon gas feels like ( or near 5
dollars a gallon diesel ) ......
and now that gas is under 2 bucks per, .........people are not
thinking.........oh cheap gas is back, let's get an SUV
.........hardly........
they're going ....'man, that was painful'........let's drive less, let's
drive something fairly effecient.
Considering the huge effort to get that juice out of the ground from
thosuands of miles away, get it to close to us, then refiine it into usable
road fuels......
and have it handly right down the street for many people .............that's
a miracle..........and the price they manage to keep it down to, wow, we're
really lucky we are able to get that go-juice at all, especially at any
reasonable price.
Did the price go down in Europe too, btw........anyone know ? My guess is
it did, though nothing like what we've expereinced here.
scott
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike" <mbucchino@CHARTER.NET>
To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 7:40 AM
Subject: Re: Got GAS?
> I agree. When you think about it, the high prices caused so much of a
> shift away from gasoline usage, that they've screwed themselves
> permanently.
> Now they need to see how stupid we must be,and poor our memories are, to
> lower prices just long enough to get us all back to being 'hooked' again.
> IIRC, diesel was always cheaper than gas. A barrel of crude is cracked
> into many products, one of the cheapest, lowest grades is kerosene/ home
> heating oil/ jet fuel/ diesel fuel. There's no reason, other than high
> demand, for the price not to come back down to pre-price-hike levels.
> But,
> they like it that way, to keep all of our home heating oil and the cost of
> travel, shipped goods and food higher, thru the un-subdued use of diesel
> in
> aircraft, ships, trains and big-rigs.
>
> Mike B.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Sullivan" <sandwichhead@GMAIL.COM>
> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
> Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 9:53 AM
> Subject: Re: Got GAS?
>
>
>>I also feel like someone is trying to get me hooked and then raise the
>> price. Just like a junkie. Makes you wonder how it can be so cheap in the
>> US.
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 8:22 AM, Joy Hecht <hecht.joy@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I doubt diesel will come down - I expect gasoline will go back up. Give
>>> inflation, these must be the lowest prices since any of us were
>>> children!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Joy
>>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 1:49 AM, Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@hotmail.com
>>> >wrote:
>>>
>>> > FlyingJ keeps a web site with their fuel prices. It appears the
>>> > cheapest
>>> > place to fuel a Vanagon is South Dakota @ $1.369. I wonder when Diesel
>>> > is
>>> > going to come down to match. Here on LI Diesel is still around
>>> > $3.00/gallon.
>>> > Note the large variation in Propane price also.
>>> >
>>> > Dennis
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> http://www.flyingj.com/flyingjPortalWebProject/flyingjPortal.portal?_nfpb=tr
>>> >
>>> >
>>> ue&_pageLabel=flyingjPortal_portal_page_60&_windowLabel=gasprices_1_1&gaspri
>>> > ces_1_1_actionOverride=%2Fflyingj%2Fgas%2FgasPricePageFlow%2FgetGasPrices
>>> >
>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>> > From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On
>>> > Behalf
>>> Of
>>> > Joy Hecht
>>> > Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 12:36 AM
>>> > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>>> > Subject: Re: Got GAS?
>>> >
>>> > Wow! I was thinking of posting a "let's compare gas prices" email,
>>> > but
>>> > I
>>> > didn't. Cheapest I've seen has been in NJ, $1.45. But in all of my
>>> > travels, the cheapest I saw (a few years ago now) was in Okahoma - at
>>> that
>>> > point it was $1.59 when everyone else was lots more.
>>> >
>>> > Maybe Oklahoma wins the "cheapest gas in the country" award? What
>>> > have
>>> > others seen?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Joy
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 11:26 AM, Maggie Dew <wildebus@gmail.com>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > On the way from Santa Fe, NM, to Coffeyville, KS, yesterday - gas
>>> > > got
>>> > > progressively cheaper but the absolute bottom price was $1.36 in
>>> > > Bartlesville, OK.
>>> > >
>>> >
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>>
>>
>> --
>> Michael in San Antonio
>> 91GL AT 'Gringo'
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