Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 21:07:06 +0100
Reply-To: Raimund Feussner <ray@V6BUS.DE>
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From: Raimund Feussner <ray@V6BUS.DE>
Subject: Re: Purple springs from H&R
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Purple H+R are NOT stiffer.
They are just lower.
I had them installed about 8 years ago. They wore out a lot, 3 of 7
spring turns are "on block", so no more spring effect there.
The stiffness is independent from the springs, itīs the shocks!
I used the purple springs with stock shocks. Sucks...
Stiffer shocks made the Van better in corners.
Whether with or without new shocks, the purple springs donīt like short
bumps. These really hurt!
Raimund
Am 17.12.2008 20:58, Scott Daniel - Turbovans schrieb:
> Hi Mark, 'stiffer than stock' springs are definitely very desirable.
> they considerably help handing as far as turn-in and corning ability go.
> I kinda hate stockers for having just too low a spring rate for any
> performance corning abilities on pavement.
>
> What I want is 'same ride height' just stiffer by 30 % or so.
> I haven't heard of any of those for sale.........I get the impression
> that
> what you have is 'stiffer and lower' which is not what I want.
> but if you're selling that set .........maybe I'd be interested.
>
> I put Syncro.org springs, with Old Man Emu shocks, bigger brakes, and 15
> inch wheels with Michelin Agilles tires on an SVX syncro westy I
> built for
> a guy......
> I have raced cars, I've raced off road in Baja, I've raced
> motorcycles, and
> have driven over a million miles in many kinds of cars.......so I have
> 'some
> experience's and I have to say, that syncro westy with that set up on it
> handling fantastically on pavement. Like I couldn't have asked for
> any more
> out of it.
> Running those same tires and wheels on my current 2WD vanagon I can say
> some of that was those tires.........awesome pavement summer tire for a
> vanagon ......205/65 R15 C ..........but I hate my stock-soft spring
> rates -
> thing still mushes out easily into hopeless understeer if you push it
> hard
> into a corner........
> primarily due to too soft spring rates.
> Bottom line is, you want something other than stock springs,
> but what you want is 'taller and stiffer' ......which is what syncro.org
> springs are for syncro's....
> another well-known company makes their version,
> and I have not tried Van Cafe 2WD springs......but I believe those are
> taller and stiffer too, for 2WD.
> Ideal to me for pavement is close to stock height........and about 30 %
> stiffer, and just guessing on that figure.
> I don't want or like the 'slammed' look, like 'quite lowered' and I don't
> need the '2 inches taller thing' either ..........personally, I just want
> somewhat stiffer.
>
> ( my performance personal car, a turbo volvo sedan.........is almost
> 'unreasonably' too stiff in the ride department..........but that car
> NEVER
> mushes out or lets you down in a corner. It's brilliant that way, and
> I'll
> gladly live with a little stiffness to get handling prowess. What
> tire you
> run matters a LOT too. Stock on my volvo are H speed rated tires,
> which are
> very harsh riding, but 'T' speed rated tires are perfectly supple and
> sweet
> on it, and handling is still 'right there.' )
>
> And you gotta have 15 inch wheels on a vanagon too ( or 16's ) .......
> 14's
> can't really cut it at all, not for any well-developed properly
> sorted-out
> serious vanagon.
> The difference on my personal 2WD vangon between any kind of 14 inch
> tire I
> could find, and 15 inch Michelin agilles tires is night and day, not even
> comparable, the van is so much 'more' in every way with 15's and
> really good
> tires on it. Let me know if you want to sell those springs you have, I
> might be interested in them.
> or trade for other vanagon or SUBARU-Vanagon parts.
> Scott
> www.turbovans.com
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark A Kippert" <vanagon@KIPPERT.COM>
> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 11:31 AM
> Subject: Purple springs from H&R
>
>
>> While crawling under my van cleaning the tranny to body ground I
>> noticed that I had purple springs. They are on all 4 corners. I
>> finally got around to checking them out further. They appear to by by
>> H&R. I took some pictures and on the passenger side saw what I think
>> is a model number (29 951 VA). My research indicates they lower the
>> van 1.5 inches. I'm not sure I want my van lowered, I kinda like a
>> taller ride.
>>
>> Does anybody have any experience with them? Are they something I want
>> on my Vanagon. A previous owner must have wanted them but is it
>> something I will find beneficial?
>>
>> Thanks!
>> -Mark
>>
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