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Date:         Fri, 26 Dec 2008 18:36:38 -0800
Reply-To:     Scott Daniel - Turbovans <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
Sender:       Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From:         Scott Daniel - Turbovans <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
Subject:      Re: Gas Filler Line in your Fill Tube while driving
Comments: To: Robert Keezer <warmerwagen@YAHOO.COM>
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re "That is, there are placards all over the gas station warning customers not to go back in their car to wait while it fills.'

I'll have to look for this next time I'm in Washington. I have never ever seen anything like this.

As someone pointed out ...................if you have the stock locking gas cap...........it's fairly fool proof in that if you keep your ignition key and gas cap key on the same ring....... you HAVE to lock the gas cap back on, in order to be able to start the car - a clever system . Then there is no way you can drive off with the filler nozzle still in the side of the van. It would be far less practical, and more expensive by far, to make left and right filling versions of the same vehicle...........so they're all on the right side.

Personally.................that is the 'correct side' in my view..........the side toward the side of the road......like if you ran out of gas and are on the side of the road adding fuel, you'd like to be away from traffic, not standing right in it.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Keezer" <warmerwagen@YAHOO.COM> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM> Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 1:52 PM Subject: Re: Gas Filler Line in your Fill Tube while driving

Well, if you have driven away with the filler still connected to your Vanagon, that means you are sitting in your car while it's pumping. You aren't supposed to do that. That is, there are placards all over the gas station warning customers not to go back in their car to wait while it fills. The main reason there is the risk of generating static electricity. You are also not supposed to use a cell phone or any radio transmitter while pumping gas for the same reason that radio transmission waves can ignite gasoline fumes.

But does anyone follow these rules? No!

I see (comfort creatures usually) chatting on their cell phones while pumping gas, and getting back into the warm car to wait for the tank to fill . Now if it's a Diesel it doesn't matter- but gasoline is 10 times more explosive force than TNT. But, I have driven off with my power cord still plugged into my Westfalia and that is on the driver's side, so I don't think it matters which side.

Just trying to get out after a week of not being able to drive due to the weather, and that my starter doesn't want to work below freezing ,had me frustrated enough all day that I left with the cord attached: and when I got to the store I did'nt have my wallet!

Robert 1982 Westfalia

--- On Fri, 12/26/08, Tom Hargrave <thargrav@HIWAAY.NET> wrote:

From: Tom Hargrave <thargrav@HIWAAY.NET> Subject: Re: Gas Filler Line in your Fill Tube while driving To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM Date: Friday, December 26, 2008, 5:58 AM

I haven't driven away with the filler stuck in the fill tube, yet......

Adjust the stock mirrors to where they need to be and you don't need the convex mirrors. Most set the stock mirrors too far in - they should be pushed out till you just see the edge of the van in the mirror. This gives you as much view as possible.

Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924

-----Original Message----- From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM] On Behalf Of M'obeechi Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 7:00 AM To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM Subject: Gas Filler Line in your Fill Tube while driving

Have you ever driven away from a fuel stop with the fill line stuck in your fill tube? You hear this noise.. and then you find out that was an expensive pit stop... Happened to me twice so far... been paranoid ever since...

Not really crazy where the fill point is on non-syncro's... It's always disconcerting when you fill up a tank and the passenger is in the front passenger seat... What if they want to get out, and trip on the fill line? Either way, I always feel kinda stupid invading their space with a gas fill handle in my hand... Driver side location would be much better (as would the rear on either side)... Then also you could double check yourself and look in the side mirror to see that you've removed the fill line from the fill tube...

For now, maybe a small convex round of the smallest size, placed at the outer lower corner of the passenger side mirror would help to check before driving away...

As far as using the convex mirror's for traffic... I find them useless... either too small, or they take up too much real estate of the stock glass... and sometimes the thickness of the convex glass's side plastic is so thick (and doubled in thickness by the reflection) that at night it creates a large black space in the mirror... I've tried all different sizes and shapes...

What would be nice would be a replacement for the stock convex glass that is more convex than stock was convex...

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