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Date:         Tue, 13 Jan 2009 16:18:20 -0800
Reply-To:     Aristotle Sagan <killer.jupiter@GMAIL.COM>
Sender:       Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From:         Aristotle Sagan <killer.jupiter@GMAIL.COM>
Subject:      Re: Vanagon ABS
Comments: To: Scott Daniel - Turbovans <scottdaniel@turbovans.com>
In-Reply-To:  <020401c975cc$3782d8b0$6601a8c0@PROSPERITY>
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Seeing as I own a Chevy Pickup, a Ford Exploder, and a Vanagon, I am uniquely able to be both amused and offended by your ignorant post, bless your heart.

But no rants from here. I'll let your words speak for themselves.

A word of advice though Scott. That hole you see in the ground ain't your butt.

tim in san jose

On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 2:13 PM, Scott Daniel - Turbovans <scottdaniel@turbovans.com> wrote: > fundamentally speaking.........and by inherently superior design..... > a vanagon is going to do WAY better than any Ford Explorer or chevy pick-up > truck. > > remember the Ford Explorer flap a few years ago......about how many people > were getting killed in them.......... > the become known as the Ford Exploder ......they are pure American crap car > design, of the worst sort. > Road holding ....inherent ability to track correctly, respond well to driver > inputs.. > those traits are woefully lacking in American stuff.........particularly > trucks. > > Proper ABS brakes are quite useful. My 88 740 Volvo turbo sedan has a Bosch > system. > You can have one front wheel on ice, and the other 3 tires on dry pavement, > nail the brakes, and the right front won't lock, even though it's on ice. > > 'the problem'..........the thing that causes many crashes is, when the > fronts are locked........there is no steering. > People would have to know to let off the brakes to get steering back. Many > people slam into trees, with front tires locked, and steering at full left > lock.......if only they knew to let off the brakes to get steering back. > and even with modern ABS.........if all the wheels are locked in a panic > stop on a slippery surface................the ABS brake system will think > the car is stopped.......... > since all for wheels are not turning........and people loose control that > way too. > TRULY.....the drivers and the cars .......to 'sum total' of the fleet on > the roads........have gotten worse, not better, despite technology. ABS > brakes are a good thing though, for sure. > Also........it should be noted, that a stock Syncro Vanagon has a very > strong ABS affect as the front and rear are mechanically linked > together....... > and the whole drive train tends to keep the front wheels > turning.............unlike in 2WD rear wheel drive, where you can easily > lock up the fronts from heavy breaking on slippery surfaces, thus loosing > steering control, and once a tire is skidding it has less stopping ability > anyway. Best braking force occurs just short of lock-up. > I think anti-lock braking was first used in aircraft. > And your common driver is far less skilled than the common driver of the > 60's say. Then people KNEW that had to drive carefully with 2WD and skinny > tires, and mostly they sure did ! And they didn't go barreling down a rain > slackened freeway at 80 mph in SUV's either then. duh ! > Scott > www.turbovans.com >


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