Date:         Wed, 14 Jan 2009 13:22:17 -0800
Reply-To:     neil N <musomuso@GMAIL.COM>
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From:         neil N <musomuso@GMAIL.COM>
Subject:      Re: Vanagon List Moderator
Comments: To: David Beierl <dbeierl@attglobal.net>
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Hang on.

Well "spoken", has a sense of humour AND knows some Latin?

How about David B as moderator? :)

Neil



On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 11:42 AM, David Beierl <dbeierl@attglobal.net> wrote:
> Hey, Ben -- I didn't know you had masochistic tendencies. <g>
>
> At 04:16 AM 1/14/2009, BenT Syncro wrote:
>>
>> I volunteered to try my hand as List moderator.
.....

>>  I believe that in order for the List to continue to survive as a
>> true community, some sort of moderation needs to be put in effect.
>
> Yes, so do I.  And I think that this list functioned very well under
> Coyote and under Tom C, who both I think followed Lu-Tze's
> observation that ruling a large kingdom is like cooking a small
> fish.  They were both moderate on content, clear in their decisions*,
> kept their own rules.  Both had clear "ownership" of the list, and it
> was clear that their decisions were not appealable to a higher
> authority.  Further, and IMO this is significant, in my recollection
> neither one lectured the membership.  They made and announced rulings
> when they deemed it necessary, they didn't publicly discuss said rulings.
>
> *During *my* tenure on the list -- I came in during Coyote's rule --
> two people were expelled.  One case was clearcut -- overt Naziism put
> forward by a technical expert who I suspect had direct experience of
> what he spoke.  He spoke up, the hammer fell, and he was
> history.  The other to my mind was arguable (I forget the grounds
> exactly, being a general PIA over a long time comes to mind), and
> personally I would have suspended the offender for six months rather
> than a lifetime ban.  But the judgment was clear, and clearly within
> the authority of the moderator.
>
>>  That would be an [in]excusable shame.
>
> Hear, hear!
>
>>  As far as I can recall, the choice for moderator has always
>> been decided by the people with the hardware (for the listserver). Now
>> it's
>> apparently a totally different deal. Jim was able to moderate remotely.
>> The
>> equipment is still at TomC's place and I think there is still some
>> connection to Coyote's vanagon.com site.
>
> *Rem acu tetegisti!*