Date:         Fri, 16 Jan 2009 15:54:01 -0500
Reply-To:     Kevin Gilbert <kggilbert@MYACTV.NET>
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From:         Kevin Gilbert <kggilbert@MYACTV.NET>
Subject:      Re: Vanagon List Moderator-let's get things underway!
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Tell you what...  You kids do whatever you want with this list. Me
and my kind will continue to (mostly) lurk, and now and then
contribute or get something useful. I'm glad for the list but my life
doesn't begin and end with it.

Now, if someone would start a list for long-time owners of 1984
Westfalias, well, THAT would be worth discussing...

Kevin


On Jan 16, 2009, at 2:34 PM, Scott Daniel - Turbovans wrote:

> I must say, I really like what John Rogers is saying here........
> that there is good reason and purpose to have other than strictly
> vanagon
> content discussed.........
> keeping with a community theme, a family as it were.  And the great
> usefulness of things beyond strictly vanagon tech.
>
> Re 'not being able' to keep vanagons going .......balderdash.
> There are
> plenty of 40 year old air-cooled buses alive and well.......
> No reason 'at al' that vanagons, being very well built vehicles,
> can not be
> kept alive indefinitely..........as long as we can get gas and
> diesel fuel,
> and drive on roads.........
> there is no end in sight  for the joy and utility of vanagons.  -
> as long as
> they're not too badly rusted or crashed............just no end in
> sight AT
> ALL.
>
> Even 15 years ago one might have wondered about the viability of
> vanagons
> ...............and they are at least as viable as they ever were,
> if not
> more.
> I'm restoring and upgrading about 8 of them..( FS of
> course ) ..........plus
> have a decent stash of parts and parts vans.
>
> no end in sight for vanagons AT ALL , Baby !
> Scott
> www.turbovans.com
> oh............and I basically believe in freedom of expression, so
> I lean
> toward some flexibility about what is OK and not OK.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Rodgers" <inua@CHARTER.NET>
> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 10:13 PM
> Subject: Re: Vanagon List Moderator-let's get things underway!
>
>
>> Mike S wrote:
>>> At 10:52 AM 1/15/2009, John Rodgers wrote...
>>>>  It there any real need to move up to a :"Moderated" level now?
>>>
>>> Well, there are those who top-post, and consequently quote multiple
>>> levels of prior posts, with no effect other than to consume
>>> bandwidth
>>> and storage.
>>>
>>> I have no problem with off-topic posts, provided they are given a
>>> proper subject line, so they can be filtered, either by a
>>> participant's
>>> email agent, or by the list server itself.
>>>
>> Some things need cleaning up, but mostly I would like to see the
>> [NVC]
>> become standard fair for off topic subjects. And to see Frydaye
>> Follies
>> become a permanent part of the scene. What I fear is the
>> degradation of
>> the sense of community by over restrictive rules and actions. The
>> [NVC]
>> works for me. And I confess to often asking [NVC] questions of the
>> The
>> List membership. It is such a wealth of information it seems a
>> waste not
>> to put it to use, even on [NVC] stuff at times. It sure has helped
>> me in
>> other areas of life besides strictly Vanagon things. I would be more
>> than a bit lost not being able to communicate with such a great
>> bunch of
>> folks about other things. In my view, there isn't another group out
>> there quite like this one. So allowing [NVC] for me is crucial.
>> It just
>> needs to be marked as such so that it can easily be filtered or
>> deleted.
>> There are some good things that come across the list that are
>> important
>> and even enrich our lives but are definitely [NVC], so I have no
>> problem
>> with [NVC] myself, it just needs to become a standard that any [NVC]
>> stuff is marked as such.
>>
>> As for "Moderators" as opposed to "Administrators" I would go very
>> slow
>> on that one. Not done right, it can wreak havoc. There will be a
>> lot of
>> people that will quit and leave the list, and, fact is, we aren't
>> that
>> big. We need all we can hold onto that are interested in Vanagons. As
>> these machines age, we will suffer more and more attrition. And
>> there is
>> going to be some attrition due to aging list members. I'm 70 years
>> old,
>> and I'm not the only one. There are those members older than me and
>> there are one or two that are older than dirt itself.  One day,
>> and it's
>> not far off for those over 70, we won't be here to participate. And
>> there will be more and more that drop  out over time as the people
>> and
>> the vehicles wear out to the point repair and replacement aren't
>> possible. But frankly I'm glad to have found a "community" with
>> Vanagons, and I hope to hi heaven it doesn't turn into some very dry
>> all-techie sort of list. There are plenty of those out there.
>>
>> By the way, it would be interesting to compare the ages of those
>> pushing
>> for tight control and those not . Life experience certainly colors
>> our
>> points of view.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> John Rodgers
>> 88 GL Driver