Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 07:45:20 -0500
Reply-To: Mike S <mikes@FLATSURFACE.COM>
Sender: Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From: Mike S <mikes@FLATSURFACE.COM>
Subject: Re: Vanagon List Moderator-let's get things underway!
In-Reply-To: <c9e.4494450b.369fed66@aol.com>
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At 08:37 PM 1/14/2009, David Clarkson wrote...
>I personally am not aware or informed of any existing charter or set
>of bylaws
>that pertain to the actual moderation process.
The post below, made to the list by Jim Arnott on Sun, 16 Nov 2008,
must have gotten lost in the cruft.
>This is the charter of the Vanagon List.
>
>Welcome to the list!
>
>You MUST READ this document and agree to abide by it if you want to
>stay on
>the list.
>
>This list is only about Volkswagen T25 Transporters, Vanagons and
>Caravelles, model years 1980 through end of production. If you have an
>earlier bus, or a Eurovan, you are on the wrong list. For 1950-1967
>buses, you will probably want Thom Fitzpatrick's vintagebus list. For
>1968-1979 buses you'll be looking for the type2 list. Each can be
>found at their respective dot coms. For Eurovans,
>there is a Yahoogroup list.
>
>To maintain this resource we use (at the time of this writing) a list
>administrator and a server admin. You can always get hold of the
>administrator
>by sending mail to vanagon-admin@gerry.vanagon.com.
>
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>
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>This list has about a thousand people on it (yes!), and because of
>that we have to have some rules. This is how we maintain the value of
>the list as an
>information source.
>
>
>________________________________________________________________________
>_______ PRIORITY ONE RULES -- If you screw up here you'll be kicked
>off the list and
>quite possibly banned forever (we really mean it):
>
>
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>
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>you should ==NOT== post it.
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>This is fairly rare, but if an admin says, "please kill this thread,"
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>
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>forever,
>and we will be talking to your ISP about having your service
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>
>
>________________________________________________________________________
>_______ PRIORITY TWO RULES -- If you screw up here you will be quietly
>"moderated", which means a list administrator will intercept and
>examine every message you
>try to post to the list. This can slow your messages by up to 48
>hours:
>
>--Don't post chatty messages. If it does not have legitimate Vanagon
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>that 1000 people will download your message. We do enforce the "no
>chat" rule consistently and it is
>the number one reason people get moderated.
>
>--Don't post Friday subjects except on Friday. Historically, the
>content
>guidelines are looser on Friday, and that is the only day when it is
>appropriate to post messages on certain (marginal) subjects. However,
>even on Fridays posts
>should have Vanagon content.
>
>________________________________________________________________________
>_______
>ETIQUETTE AND LIST CULTURE --
>
>--There is a mail size limit of 20,000 characters and we don't allow
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>--Search the List Archive.
>In other words, consult the extensive resources available to you at
>gerry.vanagon.com before asking on the list. You will get more
>information faster that way. If you ask frequently asked questions
>(FAQs) or frequently annoying recurring threads (FARTS), people will
>be inclined to ignore you or
>become caustic.
>
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>we've had several vendors who have been valued list members. Specific
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>merely spamming we will moderate you very quickly.
>
>--Occasionally, a list member will have a problem with the performance
>of a vendor or with a private transaction gone bad. If you are having
>trouble with a vendor, do everything you reasonably can to resolve it
>WITH THE VENDOR before you bring it to the list. Do not ambush people.
>If you can't resolve it yourself, it is a valid topic for discussion
>on the list, but please stick to the facts of the vendor's product or
>performance. Flames are not appropriate EVEN IF you can
>prove you've been shafted.
>
>--Try to write using conventional capitalization, syntax and spelling.
>It indicates respect for the reader, and intentionally ignoring these
>conventions
>indicates contempt.
>
>
>________________________________________________________________________
>_______
>PRIVACY POLICY
>
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>matter
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>
>
>________________________________________________________________________
>_______
>LEGAL STUFF
>
>1. This is not a moderated list. The administrator doesn't see the
>messages until you do, maybe later than you do, and because of the
>nature of this medium
>the administrator has no way of retracting messages from public view.
>Propagation is automatic; once you send a message, it's gonna go, and
>there's
>no way of stopping it.
>
>2. Since that is true, the administrator cannot control what is posted
>to this list, and therefore disclaims any responsibility for the
>messages the list server propagates. If you post a message, you alone
>are responsible for it. If
>you don't like that, then don't post messages.
>
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>
>However, cross posting is common on the Net whether it is authorized
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>remain permanently. If you don't like the possibility of your words
>being cross-posted or archived, then don't
>post messages.
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