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Date:         Mon, 9 Feb 2009 19:35:02 -0500
Reply-To:     Jeff <vw.doka@GMAIL.COM>
Sender:       Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From:         Jeff <vw.doka@GMAIL.COM>
Subject:      Re: new CARB rules for cats in Calif?
In-Reply-To:  <045201c98b15$feccd2a0$6401a8c0@PROSPERITY>
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The last "good" cat I bought came directly from VW... ~$450

Cheers,

Jeff

-----Original Message----- From: Scott Daniel - Turbovans [mailto:scottdaniel@turbovans.com] Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 7:25 PM To: Jeff; vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM Subject: Re: Re: new CARB rules for cats in Calif?

I see Jeff.... thanks. so it's basically that OBD-II cats are built to a better standard and must last 50K miles/ 5 years. That makes some sense. so how much does on of those cost in Ca for a late vanagon ?

and.........if I sell this 85 Adventurewagon I have for sale to someone in California........ I suppose they would automatically need the 'new standard' cat in Ca for it,

to get through the van's first Ca smog check ?

and where does one get such a cat, and how much are they ? thanks, Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff" <vw.doka@GMAIL.COM> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 3:29 PM Subject: Re: new CARB rules for cats in Calif?

> This has been covered before... the main reason California is requiring > all > new catalytic converters to meet OBD-II standards is to improve the > overall > quality of the cats sold in CA. OBD-II cats must come with 50k mile/5 > year > warranties. > > That pretty much eliminates those cheap $100 Vanagon cats. > > Cheers, > > Jeff > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of > Scott Daniel - Turbovans > Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 5:51 PM > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM > Subject: Re: new CARB rules for cats in Calif? > > thanks for posting the Jerry. > I'll be real curious to find out what the real deal is...... > since what's quoted below doesn't make a lot of sense. > > partly what doesn't make sense, as far as I know, is that a cat for a 1996 > car, for example, isn't any different in how it works from a cat from a > 1986 > car ........... > the later cat might have a spot of a post-cat oxygen sensor ......... > but the material used in the cat isn't different or anything like that, as > far as I know..... > it's the entire engine management system that's different in OBD-II > compared > to OBD-I and pre-OBD cars. > > what they are leaving out is the very very fine print ....the fine print > from Ca that says ( we, the State of California, are trying to get all > older cars off the road in Ca. ) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "azsun99" <azsun99@EARTHLINK.NET> > To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM> > Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 1:43 PM > Subject: new CARB rules for cats in Calif? > > >>I was browsing a parts catalog (not one of the usual list vendors) and >>when >>I looked >> up the catalytic converter for a '90 Vanagon, there was this note on the >> page: >> "With oxygen sensor hole. New CARB regulations that went into effect >> on >> January 1, >> 2009 now require all exhaust catalyst devices that are sold in California >> regardless >> of model year must meet the tougher OBD II emission standards that were >> introduced in >> the 1996 model year. Until further notice, this catalytic converter >> should >> not be used >> on vehicles registered in California." >> >> Anyone in California subject to CARB rules care to comment? >> >> Just wondering. >> >> Jerry


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