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Date:         Fri, 20 Feb 2009 13:48:11 -0500
Reply-To:     craig cowan <phishman068@GMAIL.COM>
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From:         craig cowan <phishman068@GMAIL.COM>
Subject:      Re: [PVC-VW] Re: Replace 1.9 with a 2.1 WBX
Comments: To: PVC-VW@yahoogroups.com
In-Reply-To:  <5BA43917-E3A3-4718-A708-01866BFF9F55@city-net.com>
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I personally feel the strenth of the motor/freshness is what really matters. I recently had a chance to drive an incredibly strong 2.1, much stronger than most i've driven. I've also drive a variety of 1.9s including my daily driver '85 Westfalia (conversion). When i visit Walt however, i pull Dunloe in 1st gear. : (

If you're taking either one apart, i think a new set of rings or a new set of pistons/jugs will make a big difference while it's apart. Furthermore, what matters is the state of condition of the ancillary components. If you have a weak injector, it doesn't matter if it's a 1.9 or a 2.1, it's not going to run as well as it could.

Personally, i feel these engines (whether 2.1 or 1.9) are perfectly adequite when they run well. If you feel you have "no power on the highway", something is wrong. (Possibly just you're driving style though). Even the aircooled vanagons run just fine and plenty powerful WHEN EVERYTHING WORKS RIGHT. Mind you they have different gearing to compensate for their different powerband/power, but i feel a well working aircooled vanagon is very comprable power wise to a 1.9. For a substanital bit more power, you need to either put some 2.2 jugs in there (or better yet buy a professionally built up big bore waterboxer) or do a conversion. 10hp should not make much of a difference, though 20hp would.

-Craig '85GL I have no idea what' i'm talking about though.....

On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 1:38 PM, Walt Spak <b20swalt@city-net.com> wrote:

> I too have owned many (19-total) Vanagons, both 1.9 & 2.1. What i > notice is that the 1.9 torque peak seems to be at much lower RPM's than the > 2.1. I like the 1.9 better, here in Pittsburgh because it is easier to pull > hills at low speeds that a 2.1 is. For instance, I can pull Dunloe Street > (very steep) up to my warehouse in second gear in a 1.9, but need to shift > to first in a 2.1. 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