Date:         Fri, 27 Feb 2009 21:55:11 -0800
Reply-To:     BenT Syncro <syncro@GMAIL.COM>
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From:         BenT Syncro <syncro@GMAIL.COM>
Subject:      Re: Strange vanagon engine pondering, audi 5cyl
Comments: To: Adrian Bertarelli <abertarelli@gmail.com>
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On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 6:22 PM, Adrian Bertarelli <abertarelli@gmail.com>wrote:

>
> i saw this quantum syncro and thought to myself what if.  I wonder if
> vw used the same tranny in the quantum syncro as the vanagon syncro.


Adrian, the Quantum will give you 1 forwards speeds and 5 going in reverse
unless you can find a way to make the engine spin backwards or flip the ring
gear to the other side of the trans. Or maybe get really crazy and put a
backwards (to the rest of the world) spinning Honda motor. Daryl at
aatransaxle.com said there is no room to flip the ring gear in the Audi
trans. I'm guessing the same for the Quantum.


>
> Or if the bell housing mounts are the same.  If so, it might be
> possible to pick that engine out of the quantum with the bell housing
> and stick it in the vanagon.


The bellhousing is integral to the transmission housing as can be seen here.
Go to page 9 of the manual to see a drawing of the trans.

*http://www.duvekot.com/QSW/QSWmanual.pdf*<http://www.duvekot.com/QSW/qswAWD.htm>

See pic of the whole Quasntum drivetrain at:

*http://www.duvekot.com/QSW/qswAWD.htm*
**
Compare to Audi 200 Quattro trans at:

*http://i14.ebayimg.com/06/i/001/03/1d/aac5_1.JPG*
http://i9.ebayimg.com/05/i/001/03/1d/ae54_1.JPG
http://i7.ebayimg.com/06/i/001/03/1d/b39e_1.JPG
** <http://www.duvekot.com/QSW/qswAWD.htm>


>  I would only be missing the motor mount
> which you can get.  So I ask the list for wisdom, would this quantums
> audi powerplant mount up to my vanagon tranny.  If the quantum had
> been converted to this 5cyl the bell housing adapter might fit and all
> i would need to find is the engine mounting bar and mounts.


See above. The rear engine carrier can be bought from VW in South Africa.
same can be said for the correct bellhousing. Some folks are very
apprehensive about buying from Vanamania but I know they have replicas of
the SA 5-cyl rear engine carriers. I am not endorsing a particular vendor.
Just want to present the availability of the parts as I saw in person.

IIRC, the 5-cyl's are mounted at 23.5° vs. 50° for the 4-cyls. That also
means the rear deck will need to be taller unless you modify the intake
manifold as I had seen folks like Detlev Hanschke (Livermore, California)
has done.

Overland Parts, Inc. still has some of their 5-cyl conversion kits available
but pricey for sure because the parts such as the engine are new (vs. used).
If you are not in California, they offer a kit w/ the SA induction system &
Cali exhausts for nearly half the price. The Cali kits require replacement
of induction system from a California certified system from a Eurovan or s
something similar from what I was told. Again, this is not an endorsement of
the vendor or product. See your OPI dealer for further info. Details at:

http://www.overlandparts.com/5%20cylinder%20kit.htm



BenT
www.vanagoncafe.com