Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 15:52:39 -0500
Reply-To: Jeffrey Lubin <visionwizard@VERIZON.NET>
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From: Jeffrey Lubin <visionwizard@VERIZON.NET>
Subject: Re: Takes a darn long time for the heater to come up to speed
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Good thing it wasn't the fourth meaning.
Rocket J Squirrel wrote:
> I meant the word in its third meaning, second half: a fig newton of the
> imagination.
>
> --
> Mike "Rocket J Squirrel" Elliott
> 84 Westfalia: Mellow Yellow ("The Electrical Banana")
> 74 Utility Trailer. Ladybug Trailer, Inc., San Juan Capistrano
> Bend, OR
> KG6RCR
>
>
>
> On 3/12/2009 1:25 PM Scott Daniel - Turbovans wrote:
>
>> good discussion Mark.
>> re Squirrel's fancy word :
>> ( some pertinent thoughts below the definition )
>> chi?me?ra
>> /k?'m??r?, ka?-/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [ki-meer-uh, kahy-]
>> Show
>> IPA
>> -noun, plural -ras. 1. (often initial capital letter) a mythological,
>> fire-breathing monster, commonly represented with a lion's head, a
>> goat's
>> body, and a serpent's tail.
>> 2. any similarly grotesque monster having disparate parts, esp. as
>> depicted in decorative art.
>> 3. a horrible or unreal creature of the imagination; a vain or
>> idle
>> fancy: He is far different from the chimera your fears have made of him.
>> 4. Genetics. an organism composed of two or more genetically
>> distinct
>> tissues, as an organism that is partly male and partly female, or an
>> artificially produced individual having tissues of several species.
>>
>> Also, chimaera.
>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>> Origin:
>> 1350-1400; ME chimera < L chimaera < Gk chímaira she-goat; akin to ON
>> gymbr,
>> E gimmer ewe-lamb one year (i.e., one winter) old, L hiems winter (see
>> hiemal ), Gk cheimn winter
>>
>>
>> Synonyms:
>> 3. dream, fantasy, delusion.
>>
>>
>> I really must try out this 110 AC heater unit I have that goes
>> inline in a
>> 5/8 heater hose on a vanagon . Would be worth it to plug in my van to
>> have
>> decent cockpit heat sooner, not that it's that seriously cold in
>> Souther
>> Oregon.
>> Where I went to high school in Minot ND.......
>> I always noticed how freezing cold it felt in the car , like you
>> expect to
>> be a little warm and sheltered just by getting into in a car.....
>> And sitting overnight outside at 10 degrees F or whatever, even
>> colder.........it always seemed even colder to get in the car when
>> it's been
>> sitting, even colder than standing outside properly dressed. btdt.
>> scott
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mark Tuovinen" <mst@AK.NET>
>> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
>> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 12:30 PM
>> Subject: Re: Takes a darn long time for the heater to come up to speed
>>
>>
>>> Oil pan heaters for VW's do exist. There is a different part number
>>> for
>>> air cooled vs water cooled but either will work on a water boxer. I am
>>> not sure if anyone is still making them but I have not looked
>>> either. I
>>> have one for an air cooled on my daily driver Syncro and use it
>>> regularly
>>> during the Winter months. If you like I can check the brand and part
>>> number when I get home as I have a new spare on the shelf. An oil pan
>>> heater is going to help the engine but will not do much for getting
>>> warm
>>> water to the heater core more quickly as it is designed to heat the oil
>>> making the engine easier to start. Heating the coolant also makes the
>>> engine easier to start but via slightly different means. Both have
>>> their
>>> advantages and disadvantages, in extreme cold climates it is common
>>> to do
>>> both and add a battery blanket. When we prep cars headed North they
>>> usually get a pan heater(oil), block heater(coolant), battery
>>> blanket, and
>>> synthetic lubricants. This is just to make sure
>>> the vehicle will start. Getting the occupant warm quickly upon
>>> start up
>>> is a function of the apparel they are wearing, not the heater. A more
>>> expensive option would be a Webasto heater for your cooling system,
>>> they
>>> make one specifically intended to help warm the interior. Last but not
>>> least, you could always move back to California.:<)
>>>
>>> Mark in AK
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Rocket J Squirrel <camping.elliott@GMAIL.COM>
>>> Date: Thursday, March 12, 2009 7:04 am
>>> Subject: Re: Takes a darn long time for the heater to come up to speed
>>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>>>
>>>> A kind listee provided a link to this "tank type" engine heater:
>>>> http://www.jcwhitney.com/ZEROSTART-TANK-TYPE-ENGINE-
>>>> HEATERS/GP_2000837_N_111+10201+600001648_10101.jcw
>>>> I'm looking into it. The Mercedes adapter mentioned on the page has a
>>>> catalog number that their search tool can't find, dunno if that
>>>> would be
>>>> needed to hook this heater - designed for 5/8'' hose -- to the
>>>> Vanagon'sheater hoses or not?
>>>>
>>>> Speaking of which, what hose would be good to cut to insert this
>>>> gadget?It looks like it wants to go into the heater hose loop
>>>> somewhere,
>>>> would it matter whether it goes into the heater send or return hose?
>>>> Possibly not. Anyway, if someone has a good idea, the Bentley
>>>> page and
>>>> hose callout would be cool. I'm also looking for the rumored oil pan
>>>> heater. It may be a chimera, but there have been mentions of such
>>>> things.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Mike "Rocket J Squirrel" Elliott
>>>> 84 Westfalia: Mellow Yellow ("The Electrical Banana")
>>>> 74 Utility Trailer. Ladybug Trailer, Inc., San Juan Capistrano
>>>> Bend, OR
>>>> KG6RCR
>>>>
>>
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