Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 15:51:10 -0700
Reply-To: Scott Daniel - Turbovans <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
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From: Scott Daniel - Turbovans <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
Subject: Re: Replacing FI with Carbs on WBX 2.1L
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we eagerly await the results of your experimentation.
a true 're-think' of how carbs and how they work would be interesting.
you might make a good diesel nut, due to their nearly purely mechanical
nature.........the older ones, not tdi's.
And they can be 100 % non-electrical.
and it would be fun, just for a project, to make a vanagon that has an
engine that requires no electricity to run.
( hey, my carbed 56 VW Bus had a crank handle for starting even, if you had
to )
Magneto ignition would fix that,( no juice required to run the engine )
ignition wise, if gasoline.
the 100 mpg thing ...........nothing is absolutely impossible of course.
You're gonna have to get those air and fuel molecules pretty excited or
something though !
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Rodgers" <inua@CHARTER.NET>
To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 10:32 PM
Subject: Re: Replacing FI with Carbs on WBX 2.1L
> There is, obviously, a lot to be said in favor of the electronics in
> modern automobiles, and there doesn't seem to be anything said bad about
> the ever forward creeping expansion of electronics i cars and other
> things to the point that no one can work on anything because of the
> technology, unless it is taken to a special facility that has the
> specialized technology to test all these systems. That is a bit scary.
> The more technology that gets incorporated, the more vulnerable that
> technology becomes to all sort of unexpected events. Like - what happens
> to all those fancy electronics if there is - God forbid - an atomic
> related electromagnetic pulse anywhere near where we live. All the
> electronics get fried. On occassions in the geological past there have
> been astrological events that apparently have produces such
> electromagnetic pulses, and it could happen again. Kinda far out, but
> possible to happen. And of some concern is the Mayan Calendar and the
> year 2012. Some anticipate some sort of spectacular event that may
> include the EMP. That's not far away. Some worry about such. For me it
> is only passing concern. But what if it happens. All but the few
> vehicles with mechanical fuel delivery systems would be stalled on the
> side of the road. I definitely believe in the KISS principle in most
> things. And keeping it that way in vehicles is important to me. FI is
> great. But it still begs the question - why just accept the declaration
> by the powers that be that modern electronic FI is the best and can
> never be replaced by anything better. That is where I am. If an
> alternative to FI can be found that is better, and more simple, you bet
> your bippy I'm gonna jump on it. I don't want to get locked into a
> narrow mode of thought on this. I watched a really good show on physics
> tonight. It reminded me that Albert Einstein worked out his theory of
> general relativity with nothing more than a paper pad, a pencil, and his
> brain, and with that provided the basis for modern Quantum Physics and
> just about everything else in science today. Pretty extraordinary, I
> would say. So, whose to say - perhaps it can be done where carburetors
> are concerned. Pencil, paper, and some deep thinking. Sometimes all that
> is necessary is simply looking at the problem from a different angle.
>
> Who knows, there may be a fully carbureted 100/mpg Vanagon in the wings
> out there already, just waiting for it's debut!!
>
> Regards,
>
> John Rodgers
> 88 GL Driver
>
>
> John Rodgers wrote:
>> I've seen mention of this a time or two, and wondered of any advantages.
>> No experience to compare, so wondering what others have done, and what
>> was the outcome. I have a project in mind, and FI is of no advantage in
>> the application. I've got a basket case engine I'm sot of interested in
>> building up as a test bed for a new kind of carburetor that may
>> adequately compete with FI, of maybe even better it. Part of an ongoing
>> mileage quest. The idea is not so much to make the newest and greatest
>> and most efficient new car, but to make old cars more efficient -
>> because if fuel ramps up again, there is going to be a lot of old cars
>> resurrected from the bone yards because the new ones are going to cost
>> so much as we switch over to electric or green or both.
>>
>> Anyone notice that fuel prices are climbing again - not so fast, but
>> rising none the less. Makes me nervous.
>>
>> John Rodgers
>> 88 Gl Driver
>>
>>
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