Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 19:02:10 -0700
Reply-To: Scott Daniel - Turbovans <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
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From: Scott Daniel - Turbovans <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
Subject: Re: Was: dead cat kills van- What About Bad Gas
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about that claim that modern gas goes south a lot faster than the 'older
type' of gasoline we're used to.......
I would like to know .........
the person who said that , where did you get that information - from
personal experience, or something you read, or you know a fuel engineer or
what ?
I could imagine that our new fangled gas might not last as long as say, gas
from 4 years ago might.......
but what do you base your claim on ?
thnx.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rocket J Squirrel" <camping.elliott@GMAIL.COM>
To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 3:10 PM
Subject: Re: Was: dead cat kills van- What About Bad Gas
> Dunno about bad gas killing a van, but I nearly killed Mrs Squirrel a few
> weeks ago with a severe case of bad gas.
>
> Sorry. Not Friday. I'll shut up now.
> --
> Mike "Rocket J Squirrel" Elliott
> 84 Westfalia: Mellow Yellow ("The Electrical Banana")
> 74 Utility Trailer. Ladybug Trailer, Inc., San Juan Capistrano
> Bend, OR
> KG6RCR
>
>
>
> On 3/21/2009 2:59 PM Scott Daniel - Turbovans wrote:
>
>> hi,
>> I've had engines start and run nicely on gas that was two years old even
>> .......
>> so 'usually' gas that's 6 months old, is not 'the problem' by itself.
>> Could be a factor, but I wouldn't expect it to be 'the problem' .
>>
>> any mice or squirrels make a home in the van over the winter ?
>> I see that *VERY COMMONLY * in vehicles left sitting.
>> Amazing the damage they can do.
>>
>> I sometimes hot wire the fuel pump to make super sure it's running.
>> and in cases similar to yours, while I'm sorting through it I like a fuel
>> pressure gauge hooked up too,
>> all in the interests of making sure it's getting the fuel, and fuel
>> pressure it needs, or 'to make sure that's not it.'
>>
>> A nice way to quickly test for a clogged cat or muffler, btw , is to
>> remove
>> the Oxygen sensor, so back pressure, if there is any , is relieved.
>> You might have a muffler just packed solid with dog food or tree nuts.
>> Not joking either. I just removed about 3 pounds of dog food pellets
>> from a
>> car part that was sitting in a van in the country for a number of years.
>> Scott
>> www.turbovans.com
>>
>> one of the worst things you can do for any vehicle is let it sit. I
>> wouldn't ever let a vehicle sit more than say about 6 weeks, without
>> running
>> it, and DRIVING it around some. And even that is rough on them, short
>> periods of operation, but it's less evil than just letting something sit.
>>
>> and for SURE .......it would have been nice to put a fuel stabilizer in
>> the
>> gasoline when it was parked for winter non-use.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Peter T. Owsianowski" <pnoceanwesty@GMAIL.COM>
>> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
>> Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 7:22 PM
>> Subject: Re: Was: dead cat kills van- What About Bad Gas
>>
>>
>>> This Cat Story got me thinking!
>>>
>>> My brother's '85 with a 2.2 GoWesty in it won't start after sitting in
>>> his
>>> barn most of the winter. It started on the first crank, ran for 4
>>> seconds,
>>> then died.
>>>
>>> It has gas, spark, and is turning over well. Won't even pop one or two
>>> times. We put in new plugs turned it over, and nothing, then came out
>>> really wet. Checked the injectors and they are spraying well.
>>> Connected
>>> a
>>> known good ECU and cranked - nothing. Pumped some of the gas into a
>>> glass
>>> from two injectors and it had a really bad smell. We put the new plugs
>>> in
>>> front of the heater, then sprayed starter fluid in each cylinder, put
>>> the
>>> dried plugs back in, hooked up AFM and Viola! It started and ran
>>> wonderfully for about 8 seconds, then died and wouldn't start. Checked
>>> his
>>> gas tank level and it looked like 1/4 tank. He swears he had a 1/2 tank
>>> back in November when it started snowing here in northern Indiana.
>>>
>>> We plan on hooking up the fuel pump and draining out the gas in there
>>> and
>>> putting in as new as we can to see if it starts.
>>>
>>> He has a brand new Cat (last year) so it can't be that - If it is bad
>>> gas,
>>> can gas go bad in one winter?
>>> --
>>> Pete
>>> '79 Westy "Aardvark"
>>> '87 Westy "Joe's Van"
>>> WWW.Busesbythebeach.com
>>
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