Date:         Wed, 1 Apr 2009 18:33:21 -0700
Reply-To:     Scott Daniel - Turbovans <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
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From:         Scott Daniel - Turbovans <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
Subject:      Re: Help stuck caliper slide pin
Comments: To: Ed McLean <email99@BELLSOUTH.NET>
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I did offer, perhaps not clearly enough, that I have take-off calipers from
syncro vanagons......
of the type of caliper that uses a guide pin, and I may have a good guide
pin for whomever needs it.
Scott
turbovans.com


----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed McLean" <email99@BELLSOUTH.NET>
To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 5:12 PM
Subject: Re: Help stuck caliper slide pin


> That does make it a bit more difficult.  I would be surprised if the pins
> were the same.  Unless someone knows for sure they are not the same it
> might
> be worth while to visit a salvage yard or an Audi dealer.
> Sorry for my jumping to conclusions.
> Ed
>
>
> On Wed, 1 Apr 2009 16:43:56 -0700, mark drillock <mdrillock@COX.NET>
> wrote:
>
>>There is one possible problem with your mining effort. The more common
>>caliper used on 86-91 is Girling brand. It uses it's own carriers. There
>>were some ATE calipers also fitted around 89 but these use a different
>>carrier mated to them. Since the guide pins are what attach the caliper
>>to the carrier there might be a different pin used depending on which
>>brand is involved. More digging is needed.
>>
>>Mark
>>
>>Ed McLean wrote:
>>> Come on guys, let's do a little data mining here.
>>>
>>> Starting with what we know:
>>> Need Guide Pins for brake caliper for an '86 Vanagon
>>>
>>> Looking in the ETKA catalog we see no pins listed for the '86 Vanagon
>>> but if
>>> you look at the '88 Vanagon, which has the same calipers, we see Guide
>>> Pins
>>> (Description notation (3)  251 615 219A) for ATE calipers.
>>>
>>> Now taking this part number to the BusDepot website, we find these pins
>>> are
>>> available from Germany.
>>>
>>> If we do a Google search with this part number, we see on a Russian
>>> website
>>> where these are used on several Audi models, including the late 1987
>>> Audi
>>> 100.  This is confirmed for the US version by going back to the ETKA
>>> Audi
>>> section.
>>>
>>> Looking back at the Google search, we see that there is a Beck Arnley
>>> product (084-1244 Brake Guide Pin Kit) that is two guide pins, rubber
>>> seals,
>>> and bolts for the 1987 Audi 100 and the following other cars:
>>>     *  1989-1994 Audi 100
>>>     * 1989-1993 Audi 100 Quattro
>>>     * 1989-1991 Audi 200
>>>     * 1989-1991 Audi 200 Quattro
>>>     * 1980-1987 Audi 4000
>>>     * 1984-1987 Audi 4000 Quattro
>>>     * 1980-1988 Audi 5000
>>>     * 1986-1988 Audi 5000 Quattro
>>>     * 1988-1992 Audi 80
>>>     * 1988-1992 Audi 80 Quattro
>>>     * 1988-1991 Audi 90
>>>     * 1988-1991 Audi 90 Quattro
>>>     * 1995-1995 Audi A6 Quattro
>>>     * 1981-1987 Audi Coupe
>>>     * 1990-1991 Audi Coupe Quattro
>>>     * 1973-1979 Audi Fox
>>>     * 1983-1985 Audi Quattro
>>>     * 1992-1993 Audi S4
>>>     * 1995-1995 Audi S6
>>>     * 1990-1993 Audi V8 Quattro
>>>     * 1984-1985 BMW 318i
>>>     * 1984-1989 Mercedes Benz 190D
>>>     * 1984-1986 Mercedes Benz 190E
>>>
>>> Now you have lots of options:
>>> Either buy them from a list vendor
>>> or
>>> buy them from a FLAPS or internet FLAPS
>>> or
>>> go to a salvage yard and pull them from one of the above mentioned cars.
>>>
>>> All it takes is just a little work to find this information.
>>>
>>>
>>> Of course, don't buy these based on my notes here.  Do your own research
>>> and
>>> convince yourself that you are getting the correct part.
>>>
>>>
>>> I also would like to mention, from my own experience, that the top
>>> surface
>>> where the pin mates to the caliper, must be absolutely perpendicular to
>>> the
>>> axis of the pin or the caliper will jam when the pin bolts are
>>> tightened.  I
>>> know this because I purchased some calipers a while back and they were
>>> not
>>> packed securely.  During shipment the very heavy box was dropped and the
>>> pins were bent because the calipers were shipped assembled on the
>>> carriers.
>>>  This caused the calipers to jam and overheated my brakes, destroying
>>> the
>>> grease seals and throwing wheel bearing grease all over everything,
>>> including the pads and discs.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Ed
>>>