Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 12:50:17 -0400
Reply-To: VW Doka <vw.doka@GMAIL.COM>
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From: VW Doka <vw.doka@GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Disc brake setup, info finally!
In-Reply-To: <49E36410.7090506@v6bus.de>
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Raimund,
How many sets do you have ready to go? I have a container leaving
Germany next week and could provide reasonable shipping.
Cheers,
Jeff
Autostadt West
On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 12:10 PM, Raimund Feussner <ray@v6bus.de> wrote:
> Hello List,
>
> sorry for the delay, but a busy week didn?t leave me time to write a summary
> about the brake kit.
> I will try to answer every question that was asked via the list, and also
> add a summary of the available options including prices.
>
> The front is available with 288mm or 312mm discs, both also available with
> drilled rotors.
> A 57mm single-piston caliper is used.
> This is not the system David Marshall is showing in his webpage.
> There are no mounting holes machined or enlarged (neither on the caliper,
> nor on the Vanagon), it is a simple bolt-on via adaptors.
> The hubs are stock Vanagon disc brakes, machined down to fit into the new
> rotor.
> In Germany, I include the hubs in the complete kit in exchange for the
> buyer?s old rotors.
> Since shipping hubs back and forth from Germany to North America is a bit
> expensive, I will not include these. You have to get your old rotors
> machined by a local shop/mechanic.
> The 288mm version needs at least 15" rims. The 312mm version definitely
> needs at least 16".
>
> The rear setup is a 245mm solid rotor with a 38mm single-piston caliper (15"
> rims minimum).
> The emergency brake cable directly connects to the caliper, no
> brakepad-in-a-rotor.
> The hubs stay stock Vanagon, but also have to be machined to fit into the
> new rotor.
> This also is a direct bolt-on via adaptors. Included is also a pair of
> custom dust plates to sit right behind the new rotors.
>
> I will also include 4 center rings for precise alignment of your wheels
> (66,5mm center bore) on the Vanagon.
>
> For 2WDs, the wheel offset on the front will be changed circa 5mm on each
> side (the thickness of the rotor on the hub).
> For 4WDs 14", the wheel offset will be changed circa 4mm. The stock rotor is
> changed against the new one, plus a 4mm inner spacer underneath.
> 2WD and 4WD 14" rear, the wheel offset will be changed circa 2-3mm (new
> rotor is thicker than the old drum).
> Please be advised that longer wheel studs/bolts may become necessary and
> that your wheel arches might need modifications.
>
> A kit for 4WDs 16" is not (yet?!) available. Neither front, nor rear..
>
> There are no other major (irreversible) modifications to the Vanagon
> necessary.
> The Vanagon?s brake master cylinder and proportioning valve stay unchanged.
> When developing the setup I made sure that the donor Audi cars have the same
> front /rear balancing as the Vanagon (rear piston, master cylinder diameter
> etc).
>
> All versions use the same adaptor kit, no matter if 4WD or 2WD, if 288mm or
> 312mm.
> Included is every single part EXCEPT the parts which have a VW/Audi part no
> (as stated above, no hubs included).
> These are available via VW, third-party dealer or junkyard. Even in the
> U.S., these are common german VW/Audi parts, no rare, expensive,
> super-special items.
> I will also prepare an instruction sheet in english.
>
>
> Now for the price of the different deliveries:
>
> Only front adaptor kit: US-$ 520
> Only rear adaptor kit: US-$ 520
> Complete front and rear kit: US-$ 950
>
> Group purchase options for at least 5 sets:
> Front: $490 each
> Rear: $490 each
> Complete: $910 each
>
> Group purchase options for at least 10 sets:
> Front: $450
> Rear: $450
> Complete: $860
>
> These are better prices than I take in Germany, mainly because I don?t have
> to hassle with the hubs.
>
>
>
> I think payment is best done via PayPal in two steps.
> The parts list, including all part-no.s of the needed VW/Audi parts, will be
> delivered after the first half of the payment is done. I will then order the
> parts of the kit and when shipping is ready, the second half of the payment
> will be done.
> I won?t spread the parts list before any payment. It?s not that I want to
> become a professional vendor, but I spent weeks and weeks of development and
> think I deserve a bit for this effort..
> This brake is no space science, and capable mechanics can also develop the
> set. But if you don?t want to spend the money, please invest your own brains
> in such a project.
>
> The list should be used to order, so you guys can see how many sets are
> REALLY going to be sold. That way you can be sure that I really give you the
> correct group discount.
>
> Regarding shipping costs: I can?t give you a number now. It depends if I
> send the whole package to one address or every set to its respective buyer.
> We will have to work that out later.
> If any of the mentioned persons (busdepot, eurocampers, D.Marshall/Henning)
> would like to help out, this would be most appreciated!
>
> Moderators, if you don?t want the list spammed with orders :-) I am willing
> to use another method...
>
> Regards
> Raimund
>
>
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