Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 04:20:12 -0400
Reply-To: Mike S <mikes@FLATSURFACE.COM>
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From: Mike S <mikes@FLATSURFACE.COM>
Subject: Re: 85 Weekender FS
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At 08:51 PM 4/18/2009, joel walker wrote...
>an authoriative source that they did NOT use that term?
>there is no such source as vanagon didn't bother to mention what they
>chose NOT to use!
Very well. Your claim which I disagreed with and asked you to defend
was:
>vw never used the term 'weekender' on anything but the 1985-1987
>PACKAGE description for a non-poptop bus
A single counter example is sufficient to disprove it. I can't find any
links to VW literature, but here's a review from a major automotive
magazine (C&D) which says you're wrong. It mentions a Weekender package
on a 2001 Eurovan pop-top - "the Weekender package atop the MV ...
earns you Westfalia's familiar pop-up roof"
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/hot_lists/car_shopping/7_passenger_family_haulers/volkswagen_eurovan_mv_road_test
>where do you come off stating that only dualport.com is
>authoriatative, or even accurate?
I made no such claim (nor did I twice misspell "authoritative"), I said
it "appears to be an accurate reproduction of the VW spec sheet." You
have not pointed to anything which proves otherwise, in fact, a source
you cite ( http://boltze.dyndns.org/terlinden/index_en.htm ) confirms
that the dualport page I linked to IS an accurate reproduction of VW
materials in regards to this matter.
http://boltze.dyndns.org/terlinden/prospekte/usa/vanagon/1985_00_Vanagon/Seite11.jpg
Where do you get off putting misleading words in my mouth, and
disparaging my sources, especially when they are verified as accurate
by your own?
>how bout a genuine 1987 Vanagon brochure?
Like the one provided by your source which shows that a Vanagon
Wolfsburg Edition doesn't have a pop-top? -
http://boltze.dyndns.org/terlinden/prospekte/usa/vanagon/1987_00_Vanagon_GL_Wolfsburg_Edition/.tmp/640x480/Seite01.jpg
Or the one which shows that it does? -
http://boltze.dyndns.org/terlinden/prospekte/usa/range/1985_00_Wolfsburg_Edition/Seite06.jpg
Or the one which has only cosmetic changes? -
http://boltze.dyndns.org/terlinden/prospekte/usa/range/1989_00_Wolfsburg_Edition/.tmp/640x480/Page0004.jpg
If you would like to refer to a "1985 Wolfsburg Limited Edition
Vanagon" or "1987 Wolfsburg Limited Edition Vanagon GL" or "1989
Wolfsburg Limited Edition Vanagon," feel free. It may be correct, but
it's pretty verbose and not particularly informative without having a
lookup table handy. Or maybe you prefer the "1989 Vanagon Carat," which
had the same layout as the '87 Wolfsburg. Or a "1987 Camper" (no
kitchen) or "1987 Camper GL" (kitchen).
VWs use of just the term "Weekender" is similarly inconsistent. In 1985
it meant "Folding rear bench seat with storage compartment, engine
compartment cushion, center seat with folding backrest" (but no
pop-top), in 1990 it meant a Westy without a kitchen, in .
Because VW wasn't consistent, and changed things often, it's useful to
have terms which apply across model years. Hence, people call a VW van
with a non-standard passenger layout, a "Weekender." And one with a
pop-top, but not a full camper, a "Westy Weekender." Simple and
well-understood, until someone starts confusing things by saying that
this very widespread and useful terminology is "incorrect," as if VW
used the terms in a consistent and meaningful manner.
>why? you're bandying "camper" around without knowing anything about
>them,
Ad hominem attacks? Meh. You lose.
> and using terms that vw didnt' use. so why can't we?
If you want to claim that someone should say "1985 Wolfsburg Limited
Edition Vanagon," instead of "Westy Weekender," that's fine, but don't
then go on and call them buses and Westies.
You're simply being pedantic. They're correctly called "Weekenders,"
not because VW did, but simply because that's what almost everyone
calls them.