Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 22:17:11 -0600
Reply-To: miguel pacheco <mundopacheco@GMAIL.COM>
Sender: Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From: miguel pacheco <mundopacheco@GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: 85 Weekender FS
In-Reply-To: <39CA4C380C2A4E9699D5048660FC2276@gp207joel>
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Wow, I just love all the passion. Sure hope something I started
doesn't cause some of you girls to break up! Ha!
Thanks,
Miguel
On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 6:51 PM, joel walker <uncajoel@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>> vw never used the term 'weekender' on anything but the 1985-1987
>>> PACKAGE description for a non-poptop bus ... and the package
>>> consisted
>>> of only the fold-down rear full-bed seat.
>>
>> Please point to an authoritative source. I've already cited
>> http://www.dualport.com/vanagon/data.html , which appears to be an
>> accurate reproduction of the VW spec sheet.
>
> an authoriative source that they did NOT use that term?
> there is no such source as vanagon didn't bother to mention what they
> chose NOT to use!
> as for www.dualport.com being "authoriative" at all, where did you
> come up with that!!
> are they part of VW? no, i don't think so.
>
> as for MY sources, i use my window sheets from the buses i bought new.
> which were, i do believe, printed by VW themselves. and i also use a
> collection of vw brochures, from 1980 to 1991, that i have in my
> possession, including several from germany and other countries.
> i also use Christoph Boltze's wonderful internet site which has
> scanned copies of the same brochures i have ...
> http://boltze.dyndns.org/terlinden/index_en.htm
>
> where do you come off stating that only dualport.com is
> authoriatative, or even accurate?
> who sez? you?? and what makes you such an authority on vanagons or
> even souces of information about vanagons or even vws?? have you owned
> and driven vws since 1958?
> or vanagons since 1979?? have you got a collection of brochures to
> actually look at, or merely scanning the internet for "information"
> and trusting a website you found?
>
> as for an source that sez they DID use the term Weekender for their
> package, how bout a genuine 1987 Vanagon brochure? on page 5, with the
> pretty pictures, the following is given:
>
> "Vanagon Option Packages ................P32 P33 P34 P35 P36 P37
> Radio prep w/ 4 speakers and
> antenna..*.......*.....*......*......*.....*
> Air
> conditioning....................................*...............*......*.............*
> Rear window
> wiper/washer..................*.......*......*......*......*.....*
> Power
> mirrors................................................*......*..............*.....*
> Weekender
> package...............................*.......*......*.......................
> Option packages P32, P33, and P34 are available on Vanagon GL;
> packages P35, P36, and P37 are available on CAMPER GL.
> Additional available options:
> AM/FM stereo cassette radio with anti-theft protection;
> cruise control; power package including door locks and windows;
> automatic transmission; alloy wheels; California emissions."
> and in very small print:
> "Not all options are available for all models. See your dealer for
> details."
>
>>> the poptop camper WITH the kitchen was called a Camper GL
>>
>> The spec sheet says "VANAGON, VANAGON GL, VW CAMPER." No mention of
>> a
>> "Camper GL."
>
> again, that's what dataport has on their website ... which isn't
> necessarily accurate at all.
> look at the table above. before the designation "Camper GL" was used,
> the camper was differentiated as Model P22 (no sink/stove/fridge) and
> Model P27 (sometimes called Deluxe, which did have the
> sink/stove/fridge).
>
>> The Camper had a poptop and a kitchen. Apparently, the Vanagon the
> OP
>>
>> mentioned doesn't exist. :-)
>
> wrong again. which Camper? P22 or P27 or just the Westafalia Limited
> Edition Camper or the GL? please be specific.
>
>> Also, they didn't call it a "bus" or a "poptop," so please be
>> consistent in your pedantry.
>
> why? you're bandying "camper" around without knowing anything about
> them, and using terms that vw didnt' use. so why can't we? the term
> "bus" has been associated with VW Transporters for over 50 years... i
> think that is sufficient precendence for me to use it and for that
> term to be correctly interpreted by most folks. and i think the use
> of the term "poptop" is also sufficiently ancient enough for
> enlightened folks on the list to understand what i meant.
>
> if you want to say that you THINK dualport.com is the only source of
> any accuracy, fine. but the rest of us seem to have found other
> sources that give us different and better information.
> but then, you are entitled to your opinions ... no matter how biased
> and inaccurate and arrogant they are. i think the one who is "parading
> his learning" here is you ... oh, wait, no. you're right.
> cause what you are parading isn't learning ... it's just dogmatic
> misinformation.
>
> unca joel
>
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