Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 19:51:47 -0500
Reply-To: joel walker <uncajoel@BELLSOUTH.NET>
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From: joel walker <uncajoel@BELLSOUTH.NET>
Subject: Re: 85 Weekender FS
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>>vw never used the term 'weekender' on anything but the 1985-1987
>>PACKAGE description for a non-poptop bus ... and the package
>>consisted
>>of only the fold-down rear full-bed seat.
>
> Please point to an authoritative source. I've already cited
> http://www.dualport.com/vanagon/data.html , which appears to be an
> accurate reproduction of the VW spec sheet.
an authoriative source that they did NOT use that term?
there is no such source as vanagon didn't bother to mention what they
chose NOT to use!
as for www.dualport.com being "authoriative" at all, where did you
come up with that!!
are they part of VW? no, i don't think so.
as for MY sources, i use my window sheets from the buses i bought new.
which were, i do believe, printed by VW themselves. and i also use a
collection of vw brochures, from 1980 to 1991, that i have in my
possession, including several from germany and other countries.
i also use Christoph Boltze's wonderful internet site which has
scanned copies of the same brochures i have ...
http://boltze.dyndns.org/terlinden/index_en.htm
where do you come off stating that only dualport.com is
authoriatative, or even accurate?
who sez? you?? and what makes you such an authority on vanagons or
even souces of information about vanagons or even vws?? have you owned
and driven vws since 1958?
or vanagons since 1979?? have you got a collection of brochures to
actually look at, or merely scanning the internet for "information"
and trusting a website you found?
as for an source that sez they DID use the term Weekender for their
package, how bout a genuine 1987 Vanagon brochure? on page 5, with the
pretty pictures, the following is given:
"Vanagon Option Packages ................P32 P33 P34 P35 P36 P37
Radio prep w/ 4 speakers and
antenna..*.......*.....*......*......*.....*
Air
conditioning....................................*...............*......*.............*
Rear window
wiper/washer..................*.......*......*......*......*.....*
Power
mirrors................................................*......*..............*.....*
Weekender
package...............................*.......*......*.......................
Option packages P32, P33, and P34 are available on Vanagon GL;
packages P35, P36, and P37 are available on CAMPER GL.
Additional available options:
AM/FM stereo cassette radio with anti-theft protection;
cruise control; power package including door locks and windows;
automatic transmission; alloy wheels; California emissions."
and in very small print:
"Not all options are available for all models. See your dealer for
details."
>>the poptop camper WITH the kitchen was called a Camper GL
> The spec sheet says "VANAGON, VANAGON GL, VW CAMPER." No mention of
> a
> "Camper GL."
again, that's what dataport has on their website ... which isn't
necessarily accurate at all.
look at the table above. before the designation "Camper GL" was used,
the camper was differentiated as Model P22 (no sink/stove/fridge) and
Model P27 (sometimes called Deluxe, which did have the
sink/stove/fridge).
> The Camper had a poptop and a kitchen. Apparently, the Vanagon the
OP
> mentioned doesn't exist. :-)
wrong again. which Camper? P22 or P27 or just the Westafalia Limited
Edition Camper or the GL? please be specific.
> Also, they didn't call it a "bus" or a "poptop," so please be
> consistent in your pedantry.
why? you're bandying "camper" around without knowing anything about
them, and using terms that vw didnt' use. so why can't we? the term
"bus" has been associated with VW Transporters for over 50 years... i
think that is sufficient precendence for me to use it and for that
term to be correctly interpreted by most folks. and i think the use
of the term "poptop" is also sufficiently ancient enough for
enlightened folks on the list to understand what i meant.
if you want to say that you THINK dualport.com is the only source of
any accuracy, fine. but the rest of us seem to have found other
sources that give us different and better information.
but then, you are entitled to your opinions ... no matter how biased
and inaccurate and arrogant they are. i think the one who is "parading
his learning" here is you ... oh, wait, no. you're right.
cause what you are parading isn't learning ... it's just dogmatic
misinformation.
unca joel