Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 16:34:51 -0400
Reply-To: Chris S <szpejankowski@GMAIL.COM>
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From: Chris S <szpejankowski@GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: DDR cars, Vanagon, etc ...
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You're probably thinking of Barkas. It was powered by the same two
stroke engine as Wartburg and was front wheel drive as well. I
remember it as the DDR equivalent of the VW Bus.
It's interesting how Chrysler claims invention of the minivan. Europe
had small mikrobus-type vehicles long before Chrysler ever dreamed of
mass producing a small and efficient people mover.
On 4/22/09, Zolly <zolo@foxinternet.net> wrote:
> Ah, that's right the DKW. There were still a few of them in the fifties and
> sixties. The Wartburg looked better. There was a two stroke van made in
> the DDR, I even drove one. That was about the size of a bus or Vanagon. I
> don't recall the name of it now, but it's on my lip. There was no culture
> those days of people owning one and driving around and living in it or such,
> like here with a VW Bus or Westfalia. Not even gipsies did it. The control
> of people was way too strong to have anyone running around. Especially the
> fact that you had to have a full time job. There were more jobs than
> people, because three did the job of one. People had to be occupied to be
> under control.
> I owned a Russian made bike that used to be a DKW before the war. They took
> all the factories they could, away to Russia. German machinery and
> technology was very advanced those days, compared to the rest of the world.
> Tooling of a vehicle is still today the largest expense to manufacture one.
> Here on this list sometimes we talk about having the whole car made again
> from scratch. All the dies of the body cost lots, even if only one machine
> was used to make them.
> Those dies may still exist in South Africa. I know a few guys who were in
> the manufacturing there, making the dies for the cars.
> Well, I'll stop this before I get too deep into it.
> Zoltan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chris S" <szpejankowski@GMAIL.COM>
> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 9:18 AM
> Subject: Re: Cool Vanagon Paint Job
>
>
>> My dad bought a Wartburg 311 when I was 11. It is based on an old
>> DKW/Audi design with a 3 cylinder 1l two stroke engine. It was a
>> pretty car, hence no Trabant in our family.
>>
>> Gee, that gives me a Vanagon engine conversion idea. ;-)
>>
>> On 4/22/09, Zoltan <thewestyman@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Well, I'm not an East German or a one time owner of a Trabant. It is a
>>> car
>>> with two two-stroke cylinders, sounding like a lawn mower, the frame is
>>> steel the body is some pressed syntetic material or fibre glass, so you
>>> did
>>> not see one with a rusted out door. Not a heavy car, four seater, made
>>> in
>>> the DDR. Ended production after the take over, even had to replace the
>>> engine with a four stroke one. It smoked and smelled but those who had
>>> one
>>> loved it for being trouble free and running forever. Front wheel drive.
>>> Sputtering. Four seater, two door.
>>> The word Trabant means "travelling mate" or something to that effect. A
>>> real simbol of the 'good old times' of the communist era. It was to them
>>>
>>> as
>>> the VW Beatle to us.
>>> The East Germans also had a three cylinder car that was bigger and faster
>>> and nicer, kind of like a 'communist Mercedes', called Wartburg.
>>> Now, you don't see any of them in Europe. They are gone just as the
>>> Citroen
>>> DS or the Citroen 2CV.
>>>
>>> But the communists had a few other cars people here in the US would never
>>> recognize. One of them was a rear flat engined air-cooled car with four
>>> seats and two doors, made in the Soviet Unio, bearing the name of the
>>> town
>>> is made in, Zaporozetz.
>>>
>>> Those of us who grew up in those times, remember the times in good spirit
>>> for we were young and playful and healthy and in love, etc. Otherwise it
>>> was shit.
>>> Zoltan
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Tom Buese
>>> To: Zoltan
>>> Cc: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 8:11 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Cool Vanagon Paint Job
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Apr 21, 2009, at 6:58 PM, Zoltan wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> It would impossible for an American to even guess this car painted
>>> on.
>>> It
>>> is a Trabant 601, if I'm not mistaken. And I bet, I'm not.
>>> One of the nicest and most fun paint job.
>>>
>>>
>>> OK, I'll show my ignorance, what is a Trabant-French?
>>>
>>>
>>> YMMV,
>>>
>>>
>>> Mr. BZ
>>>
>>>
>>> Zoltan
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Mister Tom" <TomsGroups@SALICOS.COM>
>>> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 3:50 PM
>>> Subject: Cool Vanagon Paint Job
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3384/3334006588_3092a1321d.jpg?v=0
>>>
>>>
>>> Tom Buese
>>> tombuese@comcast.net
>>>
>>
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