Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 07:09:32 -0700
Reply-To: Don Hanson <dhanson928@GMAIL.COM>
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From: Don Hanson <dhanson928@GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Custom Oil/Tranny Coolers for automatic vanagon
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Hi Robert
I did a tranny oil cooler using parts from these guys:
http://www.batinc.net/mocal-central.htm
They are an excellent source (Pegasus Racing is good, also..you have them
already, I see) for all kinds of automotive plumbing parts. They also have
(click around on their site) some German car- specific oil system adaptors
that replace drain plugs, etc for german engine and trans. oil systems.
Metric>AN...
The one I did (for the trans of my racecar) might give you some ideas.
I used a Mocal cooler unit (about 12" x 8" I don't recall the number of
oil galleries) withAN #10 fittings and braided SS oil lines. Using AN
fittings, you can assemble your own lines for oil systems. A vanagon
tranny could probably use smaller lines.
I used a Tilton oil pump to move the oil through the cooler. I controlled
the pump with a manual switch and a relay so I could circulate the transaxle
oil at will. For a steet vehicle I'd use a tempostat switch and relay to
automatically activate the oil cooler pump once the transmission gets up to
proper operating temperature. You could probably use a standard VW radiator
fan switch for that, or get one at whatever temp you decide.
I put an oil temperature gauge into my system, reading temperature at the
point where the transmission oil came out of the tranny on the way into the
cooler system. I put the oil temp gauge pickup into an AN "T" fitting right
in the line out to the cooler.
Keep in mind when designing the system: "Do no harm" Design your system
so that if it breaks somehow, you will be back to a 'cooler-less state'
rather than spewing out all your transmission fluid and blowing it up.
I mounted mine (the whole system) above the level of the transaxle. In
case of a failure, it was to become a dead-end loop that let no fluid escape
from the transaxle. I mounted the cooler 'radiator' above the
circulating pump. I also (not sure if this was needed, but...) used a check
valve (from BAT) in the line going into the pump.
BAT has available metric to AN fitting/adaptors to fit German car oil drain
fittings..What I did, to avoid having to deal with tapping into the
transmission, was to take my "outflow" (out to the cooler system) from the
tranny drain plug and I returned the cooled oil at the transmission filler
plug (which on my racecar also just happened to be right above the spider
gear)
So, the hot trans fluid comes out of the tranny at the drain plug, goes
past the 'Trans. Oil Temp' gauge pickup and encounters the check valve.
Then past that to the pump and into the 'radiator'. Out of the radiator and
back into the tranny at the filler plug hole..Using the metric>AN adapters
or you can tap right through the drain/filler plugs and use different
fittings. If you control the cooler circulation with a tempostat switch,
another "T fitting" at the drain plug area(the "low point" in the loop,
would be a good place for that.
I don't know the 'layout' of the filler and drains on a Vanagon auto
tranny, but you'd want to keep the lines as short as possible while being
able to locate the oil rad. somewhere where it was out of harm's way. Up in
the corner inlets above the tail lights...Maybe in that 'attractive space'
on the left rear corner of the engine compartment..The cooler needs good
cool air flow somehow. On my racecar I ended up using a small Spal fan to
further cool the tranny oil..Before my system was installed, I routinely saw
temps >300f in the trans. With the system in operation, they ran around
180f..
That is some more ideas for you. You should probably isolate the oil
cooler heat exchanger from vibration by rubber mounting it somehow. You can
also use the cooler pump system to change your tranny fluid..if you take
that into consideration as you lay it out. Good for the gears...
Don Hanson
On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 9:50 PM, Robert Stewart <robertmstewart@mac.com>wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> Has anyone here installed a custom 3rd party Oil or Tranny cooler in an
> automatic 2.1L ?
>
> Bus Boys has some that they claim are for the Vanagon and I am considering
> installing one for the oil and tranny fluids in front of the existing front
> radiator.
>
> My rebuilt engine is going in later this week, looks great. It should with
> over $2k in parts in it! Now I just want to keep it running well. So the
> idea of adding extra cooling seems like a sound concept.
>
>
> Ten Cent life on the Samba installed one using a sandwich system that uses
> the existing cooler.
>
> http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=193593
> http://www.shoptalkforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=102662
>
> Check this sandwich adapter:
> http://www.bahnbrenner.com/media/php/catalog.php?pid=1395&opt_id=
>
> http://www.bahnbrenner.com/vw_audi/products/1386/Mocal_19_Row_Heat_Exchanger
>
>
> I am trying to copy this European design:
>
> http://www.syncro-bernd-jaeger.de/ENGLISH/Olkuhleranlage/olkuhleranlage.html
>
>
> What are the proper kind rubber reinforced tubing needed? PSI level, size,
> location, mounting, connectors, etc?
>
>
> Dennis sent me to this site: pegasusautoracing.com
> He thought this product would be good, does anyone have any other
> recommendations?
> 1210-13-8AN
>
> 13 Row Full Width Oil Cooler - 8 AN
> $134.99
>
>
> Small Car has a unit for the tranny $159:
> http://www.smallcar.com/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=83
> Comes with everything you need.
> "Automatic Vanagons have a factory installed transmission cooler that uses
> engine coolant and the radiator to cool the fluid. This adds the
> transmission cooling load to the engine cooling system (this is less than
> ideal) and the results of a failure of this cooler are disastrous for both
> the transmission and the cooling system.
>
> Our cooler kit keeps the two systems separate and does a better job of
> keeping the transmission fluid cool in very hot weather. Additionally, a
> failure in the system results in only a fluid leak that is easily repaired.
>
> Recommended for all automatic Vanagons including those with the higher
> horsepower Subaru engines.
>
> Our kit includes all the neccessary hardware and does not require any
> drilling or tapping of the transmission, It can be installed without removal
> of the transmission. The two 5/8" hoses to the original cooler can be
> bypassed with this mender or can be rerouted to bypass the area entirely.
>
> The recommended mounting position is between the frame rails on the
> driver's side just in front of the transmission.
>
> Price: $159.00"
>
>
>
>
> http://www.bus-boys.com/oilcoolingremote.html
>
> heres the text from their site:
> The ultimate in cooling efficiency, Race-Trim™ stacked-plate design offers
> maximum cooling with almost bullet-proof strength. Aircraft quality
> aluminum, fluxless oven brazed construction. Cross-path airflow effectively
> cools oil as air passes through as many as 16 paths across sturdy embossed
> plates. Insignificant pressure drop, twice the cooling in half the size.
> Painted black for fast heat dissipation. Fitted with 1/2 inch female pipe
> thread fittings. The best system for your Bus or Vanagon.
>
> Key Part No. Description/Application/Price
>
> Part Numbers in Italics - Call For Availability
>
> Coolers & Cooler Kits
>
> ZAP-11790 Oil Cooler Only, 96 Plate (Measurements: 1.5" X 11" X 11")
> $113.00
>
> ZAP-11791 Oil Cooler Only, 72 Plate (Measurements: 1.5" X 8" X 11")
> $85.30
>
> ZAP-11710 Oil Cooler Kit Complete, 96 Plate, Bus with Upright 1600
> Eliminates the Stock Cooler $136.00
>
> ZAP-11711 Oil Cooler Kit Complete, 72 Plate, Bus with Upright 1600
> Eliminates the Stock Cooler $109.00
>
> ZAP-11700 Oil Cooler Kit Complete, 96 Plate with Direct Oil Filter Block
> Off & Remote Oil Filter Mount, Bus 1700/1800/2000 1972 to 1979 $147.50
>
> ZAP-11701 Oil Cooler Kit Complete, 72 Plate with Direct Oil Filter Block
> Off & Remote Oil Filter Mount, Bus 1700/1800/2000 1972 to 1979 $122.20
>
> ZAP-11705 Oil Cooler Kit Complete, 72 Plate with "Sandwich" Oil Filter
> Adaptor $132.00
>
> NOTE: ZAP-11705 is recommended only for Vanagon Wasserboxers from 1983 to
> 1985. Will not fit 1986 to 1991 models due to OEM oil cooler design on
> filter mounting. Recommend using ZAP-11701 above for these applications.
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