Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 07:02:59 -0700
Reply-To: Don Hanson <dhanson928@GMAIL.COM>
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From: Don Hanson <dhanson928@GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: was: RE: 6 guys and vanagon x-country-UPDATE now:the great
Megasquirt debate
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Hi I came in on this thread late but I fairly recently went through the
whole process of intsalling, tuning and learning a totally new untried
application for a stand-alone engine mangament system. The mechanical part
of the process was fairly simple, except for a few incompatible bits that
had to be removed and replaced, connectors to find, etc.
In order to really make meaningful progress tuning the system, once it's
up and running, Dyno time is the way. You can use your own Data Logging and
eventually get it good without, but we took my vehicle from 240rwhp to 565
rwhp, on a Mustang chassis dyno in about 45mins..That would have taken us
all day using a track or a deserted road. It is not a simple process, but
if you have someone who's familiar with the stand-alone tuning process and
the particular ECU you've decided on, it is pretty straight forward. But
expect glitches and frustration. Mine had problems between my laptop and
the ECU. Also, a lot of the features you'll want for tweeking the system,
data logging features, they were extra $. Every big city has plenty of shops
where the "Ricer-boys" do their thing, tuning Imports. Find that shop and
hit their dyno...they know all the trick and can wring HP from a VW engine
with ease. It's been done over and over. Subaru motors, too. These guys
laugh at the stock systems and how unproductive they are compared to what
they get from a "tuner-engine" they've modified. 500hp 2 liter Jettas are
common...
Below are the two systems I used on my one-off fuel injection set up.
Motec is very well respected as The stand -alone EMS for performance and
reliability. Most of the factory racecars use motec. TWM induction is a
good source for stuff you might use in a Subie conversion or maybe a better
VW intake. Don Hanson
http://www.twminduction.com/Home/Home-FR.html
http://www.motec.com.au/home
On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 9:05 PM, pdooley <psdooley@verizon.net> wrote:
> Jake, this was a reply to Scott’s inquiry.
>
> What, you think I’m beating my drum for the kids to order a megasquirt and
> do an install on the roadside?
>
> I said they could be running a MS for the price of the ECU they bought.
>
> Yes, the wiring and sensors are extra, but ECU for ECU is the same.
>
> And the install/sorting part is where you learn, worth the time spent.
>
> But obviously not a good option if you’re broken down somewhere far from
> home.
>
>
>
> In their situation they didn’t do too bad.
>
>
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: Jake de Villiers [mailto:crescentbeachguitar@gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 11:34 PM
> To: pdooley
> Cc: vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com
> Subject: Re: 6 guys and vanagon x-country-UPDATE
>
>
>
> Right - $650.00 NOT INSTALLED AND SORTED!!
>
> The kids paid ONLY $330.00 to get back on the road in less than 24 hours -
> that's a f*cking bargain in 2009.
>
> Wake up fellas
>
> On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 2:34 PM, pdooley <psdooley@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> Any megasquirt can run a WBX, that's the beauty of it.
> The system is completely adjustable, which causes heartache for those who
> want a quick, easy solution. Those are the guys that have it running, but
> not perfect.
> A bare bones, solder-yourself kit is $139, but much better idea to get the
> pre-built V3.57 for $335, unless you have much time and patience and good
> eyesight. Wiring harness is $65, sensors will run you $50 and a wideband
> O2
> is $200, so you got around $650 in it, not cheap but better than other
> standalone options.
> Then just invest about 20 or 30 hours(for me anyway, I'm a little slow)
> into
> learning the wiring, tuning, and datalogging.
>
> To run megasquirt on a WBX, you simple specify certain parameters like
> number of cylinders and displacement to get a required fuel value, then set
> up a fuel table based on RPM and MAP.
> Really, you could run megasquirt on a lawnmower if you had a good rpm and
> map signal.
> You can also configure MS to control ignition with the stock VW distributor
> hall sender.
> Like Sudhir said, there is tons of info out there.
> Almost everything has been done, some with good results, some not so good.
> And true, it's not for everyone.
> Pardon the cliché but it fits- you get out what you put in.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of
>
> Scott Daniel - Turbovans
> Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 3:58 PM
> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> Subject: Re: 6 guys and vanagon x-country-UPDATE
>
> hows 'bout posting a link to a waterboxer with a MS system on it,
> or of an MS system that can run a wbxr.
> I suspect that 330 price is actually the bare bones price.....
> and that with shipping, or 'other things you'd want with it' ........it
> might be a little more than that.
> but I'm always interested in EFI systems and 'real good reliability and
> longevity' .........and simplicity.
>
> what I often hear is that someone has a megasquirt system on something
> .......say a vw-porsche 914 .......
> or a dune buggy, and 'it works' but they don't have the kinks sorted out
> yet. Read that a few times..
> thanks , if you have anything picture-wise.
> scott
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "pdooley" <psdooley@VERIZON.NET>
> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
> Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 12:27 PM
> Subject: Re: 6 guys and vanagon x-country-UPDATE
>
>
> > They could be running MS for $330.
> > But all things considered they didn't get screwed too bad.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf
> Of
> > Tony Collins
> > Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 12:46 PM
> > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> > Subject: Re: 6 guys and vanagon x-country-UPDATE
> >
> > Maybe they are not taking ECU.....maybe they are running mega
> > squirt.......Ok ok ........it is friday right?
> > :)
> > tony
> > --
> > 82 Scirocco "Rodolfo"
> > 85 Vanagon "Blubrik, El Guapo"
>
>
>
>
> --
> Jake
>
> 1984 Vanagon GL
> 1986 Westy Weekender "Dixie"
>
> Crescent Beach, BC
>
> www.thebassspa.com
> www.crescentbeachguitar.com
> http://subyjake.googlepages.com/mydixiedarlin%27
>
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