Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 22:59:19 -0400
Reply-To: Benny boy <huotb@VIDEOTRON.CA>
Sender: Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From: Benny boy <huotb@VIDEOTRON.CA>
Subject: Re: Need some assistance to see if my mechanic is overcharging
me...
Robert, don't think that I'm bashing you... i was wrong if i did.
This is a GENERAL statement about guys like him or me (or others) working on
old vans!
People are people and customers, well, they will always be customers. It's a
fact of life. I am also one!
I know that there is plenty of prick (can i say that?) out there that will
try to rip you off. But common sense need to be applied here. In general,
Vanagon or Bus mechanic are not. It's a passion thing. So your post title
kind of shocked me! I'm sure you understand why :-)
Let's just say that i would charge you way more than him :-)
What you just wrote is kind of sad...!!! And it's a fact of life that i see
around me lately, honest mechanics that have devoted their life to a...
certain passion go away without any reconnaissance! Kind a sad to see a man
goes like that! One 65yo guy beside my shop told me: You will never get
rich in that business if your honest! You will just barely make a decent
living, he is so right.
I'm amazed by that guy, i won't do 1/6 of what he did (30 years), i have
seen the light. Already guys like B.Bob are forgotten, that make me sick
like hell.
Here in Montreal the best engine machinist just lost his wife... his
quitting (of what i know), good for him.
So don't take vendors and vanagon mechanic for granted, no, you are Bus
lovers and for the most part of you guys you rely on them for fixing your
old vans.
I have stop posting here about a year ago, i just stopped on The Samba, i
have stopped locally also. I lurk once in a wile but i have some new hobby
that will make me stop wondering about the VW community.
It's time i do something else than spend my free time sharing stuff that
won't give me (4 letters words here) in life.
The story of your mechanic make me real sad tonight.
My site get 3500 single hit per day in average, so what! People take and
that's hit. You have a little "thank you" once in a wile but that's it.
I have a bout 1-2 year to do in the Vanagon world, just enough time so my
partner in life make over 120k$ a year, i will keep my customers because i
have a code of conduct/honnor but for the rest of my time, i will sail!
Fixing sailboat in my shop for fun.
I would really like to shake the hand of that fellow. Please, have some
respect! He may be gone next time you need help.
For the rest of you green guys that understand nothing about my post... i
simply don't care anymore. Ask the other how i know! And damn, i know to
much about Vanagon's, you have no idea.
Spend the equivalent time on my site that i have took to build this one, you
will know everything about vanagon.
Best regards, Ben
http://www.benplace.com/
On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 20:31:16 -0400, Robert Stewart <robertmstewart@MAC.COM>
wrote:
>Ben I got what your saying. I am not complaining in any way shape or
>form, I just wanted to confirm withe list experts that the fee's were
>appropriate. I always believe in paying for what is fair and not
>screwing over those that do good work for me. In fact I did indeed
>bring him cold drinks on hot days, asked if he needed anything to eat
>etc.
>
>Believe me, finding someone in my area to take on the project was very
>hard so I do appreciate him.
>
>I just found out he is closing his shop at the end of the summer for a
>lack of work after 30 years. he had to take a job rebuilding truck
>engines just to make some cash. I really feel horrible for him. He is
>still going to do work out of his own home garage but it still crappy
>for him. I am even trying to find him clients.
>
>But your point is well taken.
>
>Robert
>NY
>
>On Jul 18, 2009, at 12:11 AM, Benny boy wrote:
>
>> I love you men!!!
>>
>> Ben
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 17 Jul 2009 09:15:01 -0400, Ken Wilford
>> <kenwilfy@COMCAST.NET> wrote:
>>
>>> Most mechanics will not touch a Vanagon. They will take one look and
>>> tell you to hit the road. That this guy is taking his time to
>>> learn the
>>> van and also only charging you $60 per hour is a miracle from Heaven
>>> above. Instead of questioning if he is charging you too much you
>>> should
>>> be sending him flowers or making him breakfast in bed. Please treat
>>> this man right, he deserves it.
>>>
>>> Ken Wilford
>>> John 3:16
>>> www.vanagain.com
>>>
>>>
>>> Robert Stewart wrote:
>>>> Need some assistance to see if my mechanic is overcharging me...
>>>>
>>>> So to fill you in on the background.
>>>>
>>>> I had brought my Van back in December to a local Engine Shop that
>>>> only
>>>> does rebuilds. It took him several months to complete the rebuild
>>>> with
>>>> all the parts I ordered from Van-Cafe (over 2K in parts). He was
>>>> overbooked and took him a long time to get to the engine. He
>>>> finished
>>>> it back in April and my mechanic who removed the engine and
>>>> delivered
>>>> it to him had it and it was now up to him to take care of the rest.
>>>>
>>>> Now he had it since April, he is not a VW mechanic, his speciality
>>>> is
>>>> Nissan's.... so he needed to do some learning on the job with the
>>>> Bentley and Haynes manuals in hand plus some help from the Samba
>>>> and
>>>> you guys to get the job done.
>>>>
>>>> I clearly provided a list of what I wanted done and all the parts.
>>>>
>>>> Can anyone here tell me based on my list below what the general cost
>>>> range should be?
>>>> Now I know this is a bit to ask but I am trying to be sure I am not
>>>> being taken here, so any idea of the realistic time frame to
>>>> complete
>>>> these jobs would be really be appreciated.
>>>>
>>>> Here's the list of what I asked him to do:
>>>> Model - 88 Automatic
>>>>
>>>> Removal and Reinstallation of Rebuilt Engine (with all original
>>>> external engine components i.e. fuel rails, injectors, new rubber
>>>> for
>>>> injectors provided, new spark plugs, new fuel hoses, wires, wiring
>>>> harness, Air Flow System, with all new gaskets provided, et al.)
>>>>
>>>> Installation of New Fuel lines, (Engine Bay, & Front to Rear Tank
>>>> Lines)
>>>>
>>>> Installation of 2 External Coolers (Oil and Transmission Fluids) (1)
>>>> from BusBoys and (1) from Small Car for the tranny.
>>>>
>>>> Draining of Coolant Lines ( he did not flush it as he did not have
>>>> the
>>>> equipment) and Tanks & Refill Of All Coolant (Supplied)
>>>>
>>>> Installation of New Coolant Hoses in the engine bay and the front 2
>>>> lines connecting to the 2 long hoses (which were good and used them)
>>>> with the Gowesty Coolant Hose Repair Kit. ( the two metal pieces
>>>> they
>>>> sell)
>>>>
>>>> Draining of Transmission and Differential Gear Oils and
>>>> replacement of
>>>> fluids with new screen and filter provided.
>>>>
>>>> Install New Engine Oil and Screen install after rebuild completed.
>>>>
>>>> Installation of 3rd Party Transmission Wing Cooling System (welded)
>>>> (this is the little metal wing sold by Terry Kay.
>>>>
>>>> Re-installation of existing S&S Exhaust System (though cleaned and
>>>> painted with high temp paint by me)
>>>>
>>>> Reinstallation of cleaned K&N air filter.
>>>>
>>>> Install New the brake pads and check the brakes throughout the Van.
>>>> (he told me I needed to have my rotors machined which I needed to
>>>> bring to a brake shop to have done. As the 1/4 inch edge of the
>>>> rotor
>>>> was not worn down at all. It has new Brembo rotors that installed
>>>> 3yrs
>>>> ago on the van with PBR pads.)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Note that the engine after the rebuild was brought to him bare, no
>>>> external components just the engine core with the heads on it,
>>>> intake
>>>> runners, with the all the proper temp sensors in place. He had to
>>>> put
>>>> all the components back on.
>>>>
>>>> So what are your thoughts?
>>>>
>>>> He is telling me this is going to cost me $1100 roughly. Now... I
>>>> already paid him $400 when I dropped the van off with him toward the
>>>> total of all these costs. Mind you it's all been in cash as well.
>>>> His
>>>> rate is $60 an hour.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for your thoughts,
>>>> Robert
>>>> Bloomingburg NY
>>>>