Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 16:48:51 -0700
Reply-To: Scott Daniel - Turbovans <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
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From: Scott Daniel - Turbovans <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
Subject: Re: gov't sure fire way to destroy an engine Re: about oil
additives
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Thank you Jim for being in very direct contact with the gov and various
agencies around all this, as most of us are not at all, and for passing on
what you learn.
Was just reading 'the rules' about the program ......
think I read that the turned in car must be less than 25 years old.
That means a 1985 vanagon ( 24 years old in 2009 ) might qualify.
that leaves quite a few years of vanagons that are eligible, if there fuel
economy rating, by gov states is low enough.
has to get worst than 18 mpg ......?
or .....I also read this ...........the new car a person gets must get at
least 10 mpg more than the old turned-in car.
So a too-old car doesn't qualify, nor a too-fuel efficient one either, as I
read things.
Somebody posted something , a link, and I went to the govs fuel economy
listings ......
I didn't readily see 'vanagon' though. Must be in there. The charts seemed
weird to me.
I know some 1993 Eurovan people that say their vans quailify under the
program.
I would be pleased if our well-loved vanagons don't quailify.
and ......isn't it weird ..........they are not interested in cars that are
over 25 years old.
So ...........you can't turn in a 1970 'Bat-mobile' . You'd think they'd be
happy to get those off the road too.
After all, those engines will get runined by the silcate whatever it is just
as easily as a 1990 car's will !
it woudl be so fun to epoxy or weld the oil cap on , just to mess with them
!!
LOL !!!
ftb..........f those b------s.
why don't they just call the silicate stuff Obama Oil.
jeez.
but that would be SO FUN ! ..........weld or epozy the oil can on .
thanks, I needed a big laugh today !
heck, I don't even want a new car,. but I'd be tempted to turn one in with
the welded or epoxied oil cap.....just for the statement it represents.
let's sell them on the internet.
anyone interested in a Vanagon oil fill tube with the cap expoxied on ? I
have them, exchange for you old good one.
They won't be getting any of my vangons by golly.
fortunately, the program expires Nov 1.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Akiba" <syncrolist@BOSTIG.COM>
To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 9:22 AM
Subject: gov't sure fire way to destroy an engine Re: about oil additives
I wonder if any vanagons are going to be euthanized via this program.
Here is the official government procedure for the dealers to ensure
engines are destroyed when you go to trade in the vanagon for a kia
ha. It's disturbing in many ways. I thought this was particularly
relevant to vanagons owners because vanagon owners tend to use
recycled parts, including engines for upkeep and conversions.
Appendix B to Part 599 - Engine Disablement Procedures for the CARS Program
Engine Disablement Procedures for the CARS Program
THIS PROCEDURE IS NOT TO BE USED BY THE VEHICLE OWNER
Perform the following procedure to disable the vehicle engine.
Since the vehicle will not be drivable after this procedure is performed,
consider where the procedure will be performed and how the vehicle
will be moved after the procedure is complete.
1. Obtain solution of 40% sodium silicate/60% water. (The Sodium Silicate
(SiO2/Na2O) used in the solution must have a weight ratio of 3.0 or
greater.)
2. Drain engine oil for environmentally appropriate disposal.
3. Install the oil drain plug.
4. Pour enough solution in the engine through the oil fill for the oil pump
to
circulate the solution throughout the engine. Start by adding 2 quarts of
the
solution, which should be sufficient in most cases.
CAUTION: Wear goggles and gloves. Appropriate protective clothing
should be worn to prevent silicate solution from coming into contact with
the
skin.
5. Replace the oil fill cap.
6. Start the engine.
7. Run engine at approximately 2000 rpm (for safety reasons do not operate
at
high rpm) until the engine stops. (Typically the engine will operate for 3
to 7
minutes. As the solution starts to affect engine operation, the operator
will
have to apply more throttle to keep the engine at 2000 rpm.)
8. Allow the engine to cool for at least 1 hour.
9. With the battery at full charge or with auxiliary power to provide
the power of
a fully charged battery, attempt to start the engine.
10. If the engine will not operate at idle, the procedure is complete.
11. If the engine will operate at idle, repeat steps 6 through 10
until the engine
will no longer idle.
12. Attach a label to the engine that legibly states the following:
This engine is from a vehicle that is part of the Car Allowance Rebate
System (CARS). It has significant internal damage caused by operating
the engine with a sodium silicate solution (liquid glass) instead of oil.
