Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 15:21:30 -0700
Reply-To: Scott Daniel - Turbovans <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
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From: Scott Daniel - Turbovans <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
Subject: Re: gov't sure fire way to destroy an engine Re: about oil
additives
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was Toyota even considering buying GM ?
I think they are TOO SMART to do that !
( sorry it's long, don't read it ! lol )
Toyota has their hands full as it is.
They posted their first annual loss in the history of the company last year,
going back some 50 years to the beginning of Toyota.
And they are looking mighly silly right now having invested horrendous sums
in manufacturing plants for big SUV-like trucks......
their big Tundra in Texas for example.
( Honda, in contrast, did not jump on the Big SUV & Truck thing ......not
whole hog like many of the other manufacturers.
Honda was smart there, and conservative, and are still doing all right. )
GM has been a debacle for years and years.
in retorspect that's crystal clear now.
we will see what happens,
but probability is high that GM will rally a bit..........then fall back
into the doldrums as usual, and just continue to loose money.
about 'jobs' ........
can't they see it would be 10,000 time easier and more cost effecient to
just pay people to stay at home.......
and give them lots of entertainment video's and counsling on preventing
domestic violence ( from being at home all the time ) .
this would be far more effecient that PAYING to make things we obviously
don't need so much right now .....'more cars' .
Though of course.........
there is the fuel econonmy aspect of newer cars, compared to old
ones......so that part makes some sense.
it's not 'free enterprise' anymore when the gov bails out businesses.
the idea of Free Enterprise is .......
those that make good products at a reasonable price..............they
prevail.
those that makes products that do not stand up in the market place in a
financially viable way ......
then those business fold and go into something else.
oh !
I know what's gonna happen ! .....
the governemt will owe so many trillions of dallars, and the value of a US
dollar will be so low.......
that they'll have to re-value it ..............so 'on paper' the gov doesn't
owe trillions......
and somehow' theoretically' .........our dollar will be worth more. Sorta
like when a stock doubles .......
except that it wont' represent more in True Value .....
it'll just 'sort of seem like that' ................trying to make something
really bad not seem so bad.
and ....
I KNEW ......I knew when I was 6 or 7 years old, ............something is
just 'off' about the notion of 'the economy.'
Somethin' just ain't right there.
All that really matters is how many toys and airplanes and cars humans make
on the planet everyday...........and what it costs the planet.
All that 'economy' and 'dollars' talk ............those are just numbers,
and not truly related to what humans do.
and it's sad to see money being printed and passed around to 'create jobs'
.
It's far more effecient to pay people to stay at home.
Infintely so...........counting envirnomant factors like energy and time
consumed going to work, the carbon footprint of making anything .......
all that, it would be 100 times more effecient to pay people to not work,
overall, I dare suggest.
This is exciting, we're getting to witness the crumbling of something that
has been built up over the last 250 years.......
the economic developement of north america.
Ya can't go on forever making jillions of toys and cars and more
people.......
and warming up the planet and all that ............eventually, something has
to shift or change or fall apart.
My hope it that greed and consumerism wil become less important to humans
out of all this.
and I would 10 times rather work for Toyota than GM.
other than a few brilliant things they've done ............GM is part of the
Evil Empire, including the gov, as far as I'm concerend.
As Suze Orman put it about the subprime mortage debackle and the real estate
crisis .......
it was like a wild drunken party ...........and now we have woken up the
next day, and see that we've ( or GM in this case, along with the gov ) have
been acting irrisponsibly all this time.
And now we gotta pay for that indiscretion. Funny too.......GM once had
about 70 % market share in the US. And VW was the top importer too.
ok,.........back to being in the moment.
At least things are interesting.
Hell, just pass out the money, and stop making so many things !!!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Aristotle Sagan" <killer.jupiter@GMAIL.COM>
To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 6:27 AM
Subject: Re: gov't sure fire way to destroy an engine Re: about oil
additives
> What makes you think American jobs are not dependent upon the health of
> Nissan Toyota,, BMW and the like?
>
> At least they are well run automobile manufacturing companies and they
> provide many jobs for American workers. Who would you rather work for?
> Chevy
> or Toyota?
>
> I still think the government should have sold GM to Toyota. Then they
> might
> have had a chance. The new GM looks a lot like the old GM doesn't it?
>
> tim in san jose
>
> On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 7:50 PM, Tom Hargrave <thargrav@hiwaay.net> wrote:
>
>> I agree, like no smog tests, reasonable registration fees and cars that
>> don't rot away at the first sign of winter. I'm actually a transplant,
>> what
>> some down here would call a "Damn Yankee" from Western NY State. We used
>> to
>> say "on a quit night, you can hear a Ford rust" and we meant it!
>>
>> But I see the "cash for clunkers" signs all over Huntsville and on
>> Sunday,
>> I
>> saw a lot of potential buyers window shopping, more than I remember
>> seeing
>> any other weekend. And they weren't just at Chrysler & Chevy. They were
>> also
>> at Honda, Nissan & Toyota - so much for this being a windfall just for
>> American car manufacturers. I didn't ride my BMW by Ford because they
>> were
>> out of my way.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Tom Hargrave
>> Our Web Sites:
>> www.kegkits.com
>> http://www.kegkits.com/JABF/
>> www.stir-plate.com <http://www.kegkits.com/JABF/%0Awww.stir-plate.com>
>> www.andyshotsauce.com
>> 256-656-1924
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jim Felder [mailto:jim.felder@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 9:34 PM
>> To: Tom Hargrave
>> Cc: vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com
>> Subject: Re: gov't sure fire way to destroy an engine Re: about oil
>> additives
>>
>> Another illustration of my motto: the problem isn't big government,
>> it's big influence. It's come to this to ensure that the auto industry
>> sells cars. Your industry wants money? Give me what you got and I'll
>> write you a law.
>>
>> I'm betting it will be many, many years before this problem hits here
>> in Alabama, though, John and Tom (since we and Unca Joel are the
>> Alabama contingent). There are some good things that come from being
>> "behind the times."
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 9:06 PM, Tom Hargrave<thargrav@hiwaay.net> wrote:
>> > This is actually very sad. How did we let our Government get this out
>> > of
>> > control????
>> >
>> > Thanks, Tom
>> > 256-656-1924
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: "John Rodgers" <inua@CHARTER.NET>
>> > To: "vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM" <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
>> > Sent: 7/27/09 2:35 PM
>> > Subject: Re: gov't sure fire way to destroy an engine Re: about oil
>> > additives
>> >
>> > I work with Sodium Silicate all the time in my pottery operations. .
>> > When this stuff goes through an engine - it's death is permanent -
>> > never
>> > to be resurrected again.
>> >
>> > Next thing you know "They" will be dictating that no engine
>> > replacements
>> > or engine upgrade swaps of newer engines into older vehicles are to be
>> > permitted either.
>> >
>> > John Rodgers
>> > 88 GL Driver
>> >
>> > Jim Akiba wrote:
>> >> I wonder if any vanagons are going to be euthanized via this program.
>> >> Here is the official government procedure for the dealers to ensure
>> >> engines are destroyed when you go to trade in the vanagon for a kia
>> >> ha. It's disturbing in many ways. I thought this was particularly
>> >> relevant to vanagons owners because vanagon owners tend to use
>> >> recycled parts, including engines for upkeep and conversions.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Appendix B to Part 599 - Engine Disablement Procedures for the CARS
>> > Program
>> >> Engine Disablement Procedures for the CARS Program
>> >> THIS PROCEDURE IS NOT TO BE USED BY THE VEHICLE OWNER
>> >> Perform the following procedure to disable the vehicle engine.
>> >> Since the vehicle will not be drivable after this procedure is
>> > performed,
>> >> consider where the procedure will be performed and how the vehicle
>> >> will be moved after the procedure is complete.
>> >> 1. Obtain solution of 40% sodium silicate/60% water. (The Sodium
>> > Silicate
>> >> (SiO2/Na2O) used in the solution must have a weight ratio of 3.0 or
>> > greater.)
>> >> 2. Drain engine oil for environmentally appropriate disposal.
>> >> 3. Install the oil drain plug.
>> >> 4. Pour enough solution in the engine through the oil fill for the oil
>> > pump to
>> >> circulate the solution throughout the engine. Start by adding 2 quarts
>> > of the
>> >> solution, which should be sufficient in most cases.
>> >> CAUTION: Wear goggles and gloves. Appropriate protective clothing
>> >> should be worn to prevent silicate solution from coming into contact
>> > with the
>> >> skin.
>> >> 5. Replace the oil fill cap.
>> >> 6. Start the engine.
>> >> 7. Run engine at approximately 2000 rpm (for safety reasons do not
>> > operate at
>> >> high rpm) until the engine stops. (Typically the engine will operate
>> > for 3 to 7
>> >> minutes. As the solution starts to affect engine operation, the
>> > operator will
>> >> have to apply more throttle to keep the engine at 2000 rpm.)
>> >> 8. Allow the engine to cool for at least 1 hour.
>> >> 9. With the battery at full charge or with auxiliary power to provide
>> >> the power of
>> >> a fully charged battery, attempt to start the engine.
>> >> 10. If the engine will not operate at idle, the procedure is complete.
>> >> 11. If the engine will operate at idle, repeat steps 6 through 10
>> >> until the engine
>> >> will no longer idle.
>> >> 12. Attach a label to the engine that legibly states the following:
>> >> This engine is from a vehicle that is part of the Car Allowance Rebate
>> >> System (CARS). It has significant internal damage caused by operating
>> >> the engine with a sodium silicate solution (liquid glass) instead of
>> > oil.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Where ever you are, there you be. Unless you're driving my van, in which
> case, you ain't got there yet.
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